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Old October 6th, 2011, 12:49 AM   #301
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Railjet and the Taurus locomotives have a max. speed of 230 km/h, which would be well-suited for Fyra services. The Taurus locomotives are very powerful beasts, and run in a lot of countries (Switzerland, Austria, Germany, and even Belgium with the new HLE 18). Technically Railjet coaches (branded by Siemens as Viaggio Comfort) should be able to run on the HSL-Zuid.

However, the HSL-Zuid isn't located in Denmark
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Old October 27th, 2011, 01:32 PM   #302
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The consultancy firm Atkins have just released the IC4 report and it concludes that DSB are better of with the train but it will cost DSB between 400 and 800 milliion DKK to get them in shape.

The reconstruction of the train is divided into 3 packs.

Pack 1 = 2 trains coupled together
Pack 2 = 3 trains coupled together
Pack 3 = 4 trains coupled together

Best case scenario for implement of Pack 1 and 2 are july 2013 and worst case is april 2014 but most likely scenario is september 2013.

The pack 3 implement is not planned yet (if all).

The workshops in Kastrup and Aarhus is not enough to make services on the trains


The report is here in danish

http://www.trm.dk/da/publikationer/2...delig%202.ashx
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Old October 27th, 2011, 02:32 PM   #303
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AT least they opted for new trains, instead of 20 y.o. trains from Israel.
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Old October 27th, 2011, 05:10 PM   #304
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It also makes more economical sense than to throw out all new trains.
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Old October 28th, 2011, 09:23 AM   #305
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It also makes more economical sense than to throw out all new trains.
It depends of course.
I don't know what chance they had in completely backing out of the contract with Ansaldo and recuperating what they'd paid so far.
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Old October 28th, 2011, 09:26 AM   #306
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AT least they opted for new trains, instead of 20 y.o. trains from Israel.
Well, at least those 20yo IC3 sets from Israel have the advantage that they work. And work well. Something you can't say off the new Ansaldo built IC4 sets.
With an updated interior and facilities those IC3 sets would perform well. But if DSB doesn't pick those Israeli sets up, someone else will. These are very good trains, some of the best long distance diesel trainsets ever built.
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Old October 28th, 2011, 12:51 PM   #307
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With an updated interior and facilities those IC3 sets would perform well. But if DSB doesn't pick those Israeli sets up, someone else will. These are very good trains, some of the best long distance diesel trainsets ever built.
Still an old train that would require heavy renovation to fit modern amenities like LCD travel info monitors in all cars, Wi-Fi, extended noise insulation, ultra-tight weather insulation etc.
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Old October 28th, 2011, 01:17 PM   #308
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Still an old train that would require heavy renovation to fit modern amenities like LCD travel info monitors in all cars, Wi-Fi, extended noise insulation, ultra-tight weather insulation etc.
The Danish IC3 trains already had electronic displays (including electronic reservation displays) when they were delivered 20 years ago. These trains offered from the outset a level of comfort that only now starts to be come common on other networks. I'd say that apart from a cosmetic refreshening these trains don't need much of a renovation.

It's furthermore quite normal for a train to stay in service for 40 years, and receive a facelift half way thru.
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Old November 9th, 2011, 10:25 AM   #309
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More bad news about the IC4 project, yesterday, an IC4 unit was passing a full stop light, at full speed, because the brakes didn't work, and operator was not able to stop the train, before 100 meters of the cargo train in front. the IC4s maximum speed has been downgraded to 140 km/h, but this is hardly the solution. I don't understand why a series of trains, which have tons of problems, needed to be maintained every 2000 km (!) and then have a so close to disaster failure, can still be used. It's time to drop those shitty units!
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Old November 9th, 2011, 11:08 AM   #310
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On the other hand the Copenaghen metro trains, produced by the same manufacturer, seems quite acceptable if not good...
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Old November 10th, 2011, 12:24 AM   #311
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On the other hand the Copenaghen metro trains, produced by the same manufacturer, seems quite acceptable if not good...
They are two completely different departments, offices, development, administration, production, everything but the name is different. But the Dutch v250 HST, is made by the same department of AnsaldoBreda, and is just a big a failure.
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Old November 15th, 2011, 12:37 PM   #312
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Here we go again.......

All IC4 trains have been grounded because 2 trains have missed a stop signal in the last couple of weeks.

The Atkins report is also criticized and it seems to miss some viable points.
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Old November 16th, 2011, 01:14 AM   #313
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The Dutch and Danish should cancel both orders IC4 and V250. And together they just should order new trains at Bombardier or Siemens.
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The Dutch and Danish should cancel both orders IC4 and V250. And together they just should order new trains at Bombardier or Siemens.
Studies has shown the cost of cancelling the IC4 contract are larger than taking the trains and retrofitting them with more reliable systems in Denmark.

As for the V250, HSA would be hit with a fine around 90 millions should it chose to cancel the contract. It is a no-brainer.
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Studies has shown the cost of cancelling the IC4 contract are larger than taking the trains and retrofitting them with more reliable systems in Denmark.

As for the V250, HSA would be hit with a fine around € 90 millions should it chose to cancel the contract. It is a no-brainer.
That depends why you cancel the contract. If you cancel because of non performance by the supplier you usually don't have to pay a fine. Not in any sane legal system. So far not a single V250 has been officially accepted for example, so Ansaldo Breda has not yet fulfilled it's part of the deal.

If you buy a car and return it later because it won't run, do you expect to pay a fine for breach of contract, or do you expect a refund?
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Old November 17th, 2011, 02:22 AM   #316
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Studies has shown the cost of cancelling the IC4 contract are larger than taking the trains and retrofitting them with more reliable systems in Denmark.

As for the V250, HSA would be hit with a fine around 90 millions should it chose to cancel the contract. It is a no-brainer.

Always coming to the rescue of AnsaldoBreda.

You know it's just one guy in an alley stapling tin cans together and calling it a train, right?
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Old November 21st, 2011, 10:53 PM   #317
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Old November 21st, 2011, 11:48 PM   #318
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Why does that remind me of:

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Old November 22nd, 2011, 02:51 PM   #319
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Why does that remind me of:
Well, the above picture shows how you actually transport trainsets.

A locomotive with approved train control to pull. Then some wagons to give breaking power, with the trainset inbetween. The trainset in this setup is passive, and doesn't brake with the rest of the train.
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Old November 22nd, 2011, 08:04 PM   #320
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In this case it's a test train. The yellow cars are from DB-Systemtechnik and you can also see some wires going into the cockpit. The test train ran across Germany for some days last October.

Here you find some more pictures:
http://www.drehscheibe-foren.de/fore....php?4,5605500
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