daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Railways

Railways (Inter)national commuter and freight trains



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


View Poll Results: Default
. 0 0%
. 0 0%
Voters: 0. You may not vote on this poll

Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old September 16th, 2016, 12:28 PM   #921
Nikolaj
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 288
Likes (Received): 77

Quote:
Originally Posted by bongo-anders View Post
I think you need to update yourself on the danish railway infrastructure.

The plans until around 2025 looks like this.

Copenhagen - Ringsted will be build for 250 km/h
Ringsted - Fehmarn will be upgraded to 200 km/h
Ringsted - Odense will be upgraded to 200 km/h
Odense - Middelfart, newbuild for 250 km/h
Fredericia - Aarhus, speed upgrades, currently its 180´ish so I´m guessing 200 km/h

Also between Fredericia and Aarhus
New crossing of Vejle Fjord 200 km/h?????
Hovedgård - Hasselager newbuild for 250 km/h

Aarhus - Hobro, speed upgrades from 140 km/h to maybe 160 or 200 km/h
Hobro - Aalborg to 200 km/h


On the Esbjerg - Lunderskov line the electrification is prepared for 200 km/h but the line is still only 140 km/h (180 km/h for IC3 etc)
A slight correction: the new sections across Western Funen (Odense-Middelfart, across Vejle Fjord and Hovedgård-Hasselager are designed for 300 km/h but will only be equipped for 250 km/h (if they get funded). All other upgrades will officially be 200 km/h, including Aarhus-Hobro. However that does not mean that speed will be 200 km/h for most of the sections, but only that on certain parts (the fewest) the max speed can be up to 200 km/h
Nikolaj no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old September 17th, 2016, 09:55 AM   #922
hans280
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Paris
Posts: 757
Likes (Received): 173

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikolaj View Post
A slight correction: the new sections across Western Funen (Odense-Middelfart, across Vejle Fjord and Hovedgård-Hasselager are designed for 300 km/h but will only be equipped for 250 km/h (if they get funded). All other upgrades will officially be 200 km/h, including Aarhus-Hobro. However that does not mean that speed will be 200 km/h for most of the sections, but only that on certain parts (the fewest) the max speed can be up to 200 km/h
Interesting. Are you sure it will actually be equipped for 250 km/h? Is there a source? I am a bit sceptical (apologies for being a spoilsport), because when they first started on the Copenhagen-Ringsted line the Danish press reported that while this line would be enabled for 250 km/h but initially equipped only for 200 km/h. (Bongo-anders seems to think that they have changed tack since then.) There was a lot of bitterness on Swedish discussion boards at the time, because people there thought this Danish lack of ambition compared poorly with the high 300+ km/h ambitions of their "Europakorridoren". The accusation was thrown about that the Danish authorities keep mentioning 250 km/h only to qualify for enhanced EU support (which cuts it if a newbuilt line is 'high speed' which they define at 250 km/h). I was sort-of convinced by the argument, because the EU's second threshold is track renovation to enable 200 km/h - a number we also hear a lot from the Danish railway authorities. - But I'll be happy to learn that I was mistaken.
hans280 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 17th, 2016, 11:35 AM   #923
bongo-anders
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Køge
Posts: 5,184
Likes (Received): 3604

I can provide the link later on

But else go to bane.dk.
Choose the Copenhagen Ringsted page, go to contractors and choose TP70 and scope of work.


But the reasoning was something like that the extra cost of building towards af top speed of 250 was very little and if they did it after the track was opened for traffic it will disrupt the traffic.

Last edited by bongo-anders; September 17th, 2016 at 11:49 AM.
bongo-anders no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 17th, 2016, 11:40 AM   #924
bongo-anders
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Køge
Posts: 5,184
Likes (Received): 3604

That is correct, the lines are prepared for 300 Km/h (curve etc) but is it correct that above 249 km/h there are more regulations and rules for safety and signaling and so on.

That could explain why they will keep it at 249/250 at first.
bongo-anders no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 17th, 2016, 12:45 PM   #925
hans280
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Paris
Posts: 757
Likes (Received): 173

It also explains why Siemens' new ICE4 has Vmax at an improbable 249 km/h.
hans280 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 17th, 2016, 12:57 PM   #926
hans280
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Paris
Posts: 757
Likes (Received): 173

Quote:
Originally Posted by bongo-anders View Post
I can provide the link later on

But else go to bane.dk.
Choose the Copenhagen Ringsted page, go to contractors and choose TP70 and scope of work.


But the reasoning was something like that the extra cost of building towards af top speed of 250 was very little and if they did it after the track was opened for traffic it will disrupt the traffic.
I'm aware of Banedanmark's information site. But thanks for pointing me to the tendering documents. I had previously only looked at the project information directly posted by the agency.

That said, the information is not news to me. I know full well that the line itself will be enabled for 250 km/h. My point is, from what I have read, during the first several years of operation only speeds of 200 km/h will be permitted, and if Vmax is to be raised to 250 km/h some (limited) additional investment will be needed.
hans280 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 17th, 2016, 01:44 PM   #927
bongo-anders
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Køge
Posts: 5,184
Likes (Received): 3604

I don't have a link but as a part of the hour model (timemodelen) they decided to make it 250 from the start.
bongo-anders no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 18th, 2016, 12:41 AM   #928
bongo-anders
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Køge
Posts: 5,184
Likes (Received): 3604

Hector rail has tested the Siemens Vectron in Denmark and since its one of the contenders for the locomotives for the Zealand traffic its fun to see it in its probably future habitat.


bongo-anders no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2016, 01:11 AM   #929
touya
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 86
Likes (Received): 15

Quote:
Originally Posted by bongo-anders View Post
That is correct, the lines are prepared for 300 Km/h (curve etc) but is it correct that above 249 km/h there are more regulations and rules for safety and signaling and so on.
Can someone elaborate on this? It's news for me.
Or, rather, I don't understand, the infrastructure's physical design allowing 300km/h, why one would limit it with the signaling considering that ERTMS Level 2 supports both equivalently.
Denmark already declared they're moving the entire network to ERTMS Level 2.

Could instead the reason be that 250km/h allows for better compatibility with freight train paths?
touya no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2016, 01:12 AM   #930
00Zy99
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 2,980
Likes (Received): 1507

Yes, and there's the fact that there isn't any 300 kph stock available, and new ones can be pricey.
00Zy99 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2016, 06:28 PM   #931
bongo-anders
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Køge
Posts: 5,184
Likes (Received): 3604

Its a good reason why they will limit the speed to 249/250 if the tracks can handle 300.
bongo-anders no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2016, 06:44 PM   #932
bongo-anders
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Køge
Posts: 5,184
Likes (Received): 3604

So I was on a 35 kilometer tour de bridge and here is the result.


First up is Karlslunde Mosevej












The Taastrupvej bridge.




















The Åsvej bridge with the Roskildevej bridge in the background.

















bongo-anders no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2016, 06:53 PM   #933
bongo-anders
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Køge
Posts: 5,184
Likes (Received): 3604

The Højelsevej bridge.





The future siding for outbound trains is visible to the left.









Ølbyvej bridge.























bongo-anders no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2016, 07:07 PM   #934
bongo-anders
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Køge
Posts: 5,184
Likes (Received): 3604

At the 3 railway bridges around exit 32 the embankments are almost ready.








'























__________________

vigiliant liked this post
bongo-anders no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 19th, 2016, 07:10 PM   #935
bongo-anders
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Køge
Posts: 5,184
Likes (Received): 3604

Construction of Køge Nord station has started.








__________________

vigiliant, kapo311 liked this post
bongo-anders no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 21st, 2016, 01:34 PM   #936
Never give up
Registered User
 
Never give up's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Copenhagen and Dublin
Posts: 4,333
Likes (Received): 7529

The complicated M4 railway bridge for the Copenhagen-Ringsted high speed line, across merging motorways, is now complete.

__________________

kalaha, superscrapermaniac, 8166UY liked this post
Never give up no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 21st, 2016, 06:05 PM   #937
00Zy99
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 2,980
Likes (Received): 1507

Where's the McDonald's?
00Zy99 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 21st, 2016, 09:38 PM   #938
hans280
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Paris
Posts: 757
Likes (Received): 173

Quote:
Originally Posted by 00Zy99 View Post
Where's the McDonald's?
In Glencoe. The sun niverrr shines....
hans280 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 21st, 2016, 10:00 PM   #939
superscrapermaniac
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 11
Likes (Received): 1

very interesting, really :O
superscrapermaniac no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 23rd, 2016, 11:56 AM   #940
Nikolaj
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 288
Likes (Received): 77

Quote:
Originally Posted by touya View Post
Can someone elaborate on this? It's news for me.
Or, rather, I don't understand, the infrastructure's physical design allowing 300km/h, why one would limit it with the signaling considering that ERTMS Level 2 supports both equivalently.
Denmark already declared they're moving the entire network to ERTMS Level 2.

Could instead the reason be that 250km/h allows for better compatibility with freight train paths?
I think there is 2 main reasons for choosing to design (curves etc.) for 300 km/h but only equipping them initially for 250 km/h:
1) Some of the sections are rather short (hence 300 km/h can only be reached shortly), but could prolonged/connected in the future. Connection of the Western Funen section and the Vejle Fjord section is the best example, where a connection, including a new Little Belt Crossing has been examined in some details http://www.trm.dk/da/publikationer/2...vejforbindelse
2) No current plan to purchase trains capable of 300 km/h.
Nikolaj no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
denmark, trains

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 07:00 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium