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Old September 4th, 2012, 09:12 PM   #2021
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The cost of fuel and tolls actually decrease if you travel with more people, while it only goes up if you travel by train or airline. People only fly to destinations that are out of reasonable driving range. Many people pick their vacation spot that's within reasonable driving range, usually 1.5 days or less.

Switzerland actually benefits from through travel too, because for instance for many Dutch people it is a perfect intermediate stop on their way to Italy. Hotels in central Switzerland can do good business, although they are generally quite expensive.
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The cost of fuel and tolls actually decrease if you travel with more people, while it only goes up if you travel by train or airline. People only fly to destinations that are out of reasonable driving range. Many people pick their vacation spot that's within reasonable driving range, usually 1.5 days or less.

Switzerland actually benefits from through travel too, because for instance for many Dutch people it is a perfect intermediate stop on their way to Italy. Hotels in central Switzerland can do good business, although they are generally quite expensive.


I agree! This summer many Dutch firends of mine came to my house with their own car and obviously they drove through Switzerland!

Two of them stopped at Engelberg (Obwalden) for some days in the mountains. Swiss hotels quite expensive? I think "quite" is a too soft adjective: they are freaking expensive!

Hotels in Germany cost far far less than Swiss ones!
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OK, I downgrade it to merely non-common.

Vast majority of cars on the road are people commuting to and from work, performing work related tasks, visiting friends nearby, for shopping etc. Just look at the license numbers of cars. For example, here in Basel anything other than Swiss, German (from the closest two bundeslands) and French are rather rare. I would estimate at no more than 1/50 (significantly more in heavily touristy areas).
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Old September 4th, 2012, 09:27 PM   #2024
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OK, I downgrade it to merely non-common.

Vast majority of cars on the road are people commuting to and from work, performing work related tasks, visiting friends nearby, for shopping etc. Just look at the license numbers of cars. For example, here in Basel anything other than Swiss, German (from the closest two bundeslands) and France are rather rare. I would estimate at no more than 1/50 (significantly more in heavily touristy areas).
Plates on Italian roads are mostly Swiss, German, Dutch, French and British. But we never get surprised when seeing plates coming from (North)Eastern Europe or trucks from Turkey or Spain/Portugal.

I only got surprised when I saw a truck with Iranian plate and a motorbike with Norwegian plate.

Then, for people living in northern Italy is more rare to see southern Italian plates rather than see a Swiss or a German one!
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Plates on Italian roads are mostly Swiss, German, Dutch, French and British. But we never get surprised when seeing plates coming from (North)Eastern Europe or trucks from Turkey or Spain/Portugal.

I only got surprised when I saw a truck with Iranian plate and a motorbike with Norwegian plate.
I don't get surprised either. After all even 1/50 is not THAT rare. I'm yet to see anything more distant that Russia, though.

By the way from the less common number plates Dutch are probably the most likely to be seen.
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Old September 4th, 2012, 09:39 PM   #2026
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OK, I downgrade it to merely non-common.
Fair enough. I'm glad we're able to agree on that.

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Vast majority of cars on the road are people commuting to and from work, performing work related tasks, visiting friends nearby, for shopping etc. Just look at the license numbers of cars. For example, here in Basel anything other than Swiss, German (from the closest two bundeslands) and French are rather rare. I would estimate at no more than 1/50 (significantly more in heavily touristy areas).
The context was the Gottard Tunnel, no? I don't think you believe that the "Vast majority of cars on the road" through the Gottard Tunnel "are people commuting to and from work, performing work related tasks, visiting friends nearby, for shopping etc." Perhaps I'm confused?
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The context was the Gottard Tunnel, no? I don't think you believe that the "Vast majority of cars on the road" through the Gottard Tunnel "are people commuting to and from work, performing work related tasks, visiting friends nearby, for shopping etc." Perhaps I'm confused?
Sorry, of course now I meant regular roads and motorways near any sizable town.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 03:59 AM   #2028
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IF the Swiss have problem with truck traffic, than re-do the law to limit with dynamic lanes truck traffic without interfering with car traffic.

Cars now pollute, per km-driven, 40-60% less than when that hideous law was passed in 1997.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 09:42 AM   #2029
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IF the Swiss have problem with truck traffic, than re-do the law to limit with dynamic lanes truck traffic without interfering with car traffic.

Cars now pollute, per km-driven, 40-60% less than when that hideous law was passed in 1997.
Which law is there in CH?
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Old September 5th, 2012, 11:28 AM   #2030
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Costituzione federale della Confederazione Svizzera > Art. 84 Transito alpino
http://www.admin.ch/ch/i/rs/101/a84.html

Legge federale del 17 giugno 1994 concernente il transito stradale nella regione alpina (LTS)
http://www.admin.ch/ch/i/rs/c725_14.html

Legge federale del 19 dicembre 2008 concernente il trasferimento dalla strada alla ferrovia del traffico merci pesante attraverso le Alpi (Legge sul trasferimento del traffico merci, LTrasf)
http://www.admin.ch/ch/i/rs/c740_1.html

(every text in German/French/Italian)
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Old September 5th, 2012, 11:34 AM   #2031
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Are you a Swiss Italian speaker?
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Old September 5th, 2012, 11:54 AM   #2032
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yes, but I speak also French quite well (reading and writing nearly as easily as in Italian) - but not so much German (I cannot write and speak it easily, reading is more easy, but I am improving myself in my free time). At school I studied French, German and English on the same school year, but later I swapped German with Spanish. And I didn't went to a linguistic school, just a normal one - living in a multilingual country is a challenge but also a great opportunity.
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Well done. My home languages are English and Dutch, as my dad is English and my mum is Dutch. On top of that I speak German and a little French.
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Knowing your languages is a great asset in my opinion.
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Are you a Swiss Italian speaker?
As far as I know, Coccodrillo is from Ticino, so (s)he's an Italian mother tongue!
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yes, but I speak also French quite well (reading and writing nearly as easily as in Italian) - but not so much German (I cannot write and speak it easily, reading is more easy, but I am improving myself in my free time). At school I studied French, German and English on the same school year, but later I swapped German with Spanish. And I didn't went to a linguistic school, just a normal one - living in a multilingual country is a challenge but also a great opportunity.
Are you Claudio Castagnoli?

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The parliament of the canton of Bern has approved the height increase of the dam wall at the Grimselpass by 23 m. The road would have to be realigned near the Hospiz.
Environmental organisations have already announced to appeal against it...

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Environmentalists are against everything. Coal power plant? too dirty. Nuclear energy? too dangerous. Wind turbines? Disturbing and a threat to birds. Hydropower? Too destructive.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 06:09 PM   #2039
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That's already good that 55% of our electricity production/need is by hydropower, although if it can be increased it's only better. 40% is nuclear and 5% others (wind, solar, waste burning).

(similar percentages in Austria with thermal instead of nuclear)
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The parliament of the canton of Bern has approved the height increase of the dam wall at the Grimselpass by 23 m. The road would have to be realigned near the Hospiz.
Environmental organisations have already announced to appeal against it...

Wow,thats looks pretty weird,but also very interesting
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