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Old September 7th, 2012, 04:03 AM   #2081
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There are no such problems with the Gotthard or other necessary road projects in Switzerland. A second Gotthard tube is perfectly possible, both technically and financially. The truckers pay enough tolls in Switzerland to finance a new tube every three years. A widening of several parts of the A1 is also perfectly possible.

Nobody's talking about building motorways through every valley of the Alps, but the few links that do exist are simply too weak and unreliable now. If a train was as unreliable as the Gotthard route, there would be immense political outcry over it. There is only one motorway-standard route through the Alps (Brenner Autobahn) to connect a country of 82 million and a country of 60 million with Switzerland and Austria in between, and if they like it or not, people and goods will be moved to and through them. It's much better to strengthen existing links than building new links. That includes the A2.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 12:32 PM   #2082
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The Karawanken Tunnel is still single tube, but you can turn off and reach Italy by 4-lane motorways indeed. Austria definitely has the best links through the Alps.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 12:42 PM   #2083
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I like the French links as well, but expensive for some.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 03:45 PM   #2084
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The Karawanken Tunnel is still single tube, but you can turn off and reach Italy by 4-lane motorways indeed. Austria definitely has the best links through the Alps.
By 2019 there'll be three 4+ lanes transalp connections as the last tunnel of the A9 will receive it's second tube.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 08:21 PM   #2085
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By 2019 there'll be three 4+ lanes transalp connections as the last tunnel of the A9 will receive it's second tube.
I think for the easternmost part you could also include S6 and A2, although it's not the highest region any more. The engineers would certainly consider those routes as mountainous roads .

The Wallisellen area could be mightily enhanced by a different traffic management system I think. There is that split such that the highway entrance joins the middle of the road. The two right lanes lead to the Northern bypass/Gubrist tunnel while the two left lanes lead to Zurich City. There is always lots of congestion in the entrance during rush hour as many people need to change lanes from the relatively free-flowing left lanes to the jammed up right lanes towards Bern/Basel/Airport. This completely messes up the entrance area. What I would do is making the pre-sorting before Wallisellen exit on A1 westbound mandatory to avoid traffic-jam-jumping on the Zurich-bound lanes by blocking lane changes between lanes 1/2 and lanes 3/4 between Wallisellen entrance and Zurich East interchange. Traffic from Dübendorf/Wallisellen towards Bern/Basel I would route via Neugutstrasse to the freeway entrance near Glattzentrum. The junctions there would need a little enhancement and a small expansion to the entrance, but otherwise that would be a cheap solution IMHO.
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Old September 8th, 2012, 12:12 AM   #2086
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I agree with Road_UK, not fully but mostly. Most here only consider transit: "How do I get the fastest to Italy via the alps". But there are hundreds of thousands of people living along these corridors and they have legitimate interests too.
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Old September 8th, 2012, 11:01 PM   #2087
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I agree with Road_UK, not fully but mostly. Most here only consider transit: "How do I get the fastest to Italy via the alps". But there are hundreds of thousands of people living along these corridors and they have legitimate interests too.
It all depends on where you are!

I know that from Italy to Germany the fastest way is Brennerpaß but from Busto Arsizio (Milan) the best route you can do it's passing through Switzerland on A2 + A13 + Vorarlberg + BAB96!
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Old September 9th, 2012, 12:14 AM   #2088
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Ausserorts mit 174 km/h geblocht

GLARUS - GL - Die Glarner Kantonspolizei hat heute eine Tempokontrolle durchgeführt. Bei einem Raser hätte fast die Anzeige ausgesetzt.

Mit 174 Stundenkilometern ist heute Vormittag ein Autofahrer von der Glarner Kantonspolizei geblitzt worden. Erlaubt gewesen wären auf der Ortsumfahrung von Rüti GL die üblichen 80 Stundenkilometer.

Damit war der Raser doppelt so schnell unterwegs wie erlaubt.

Die Polizei hatte eine Routine-Geschwindigkeitskontrolle durchgeführt. Sie stoppte den Raser sofort und nahm ihm den Fahrausweis auf der Stelle ab. (SDA/snx)

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Ausserorts mit 174 km/h geblocht

GLARUS - GL - Die Glarner Kantonspolizei hat heute eine Tempokontrolle durchgeführt. Bei einem Raser hätte fast die Anzeige ausgesetzt.

Mit 174 Stundenkilometern ist heute Vormittag ein Autofahrer von der Glarner Kantonspolizei geblitzt worden. Erlaubt gewesen wären auf der Ortsumfahrung von Rüti GL die üblichen 80 Stundenkilometer.

Damit war der Raser doppelt so schnell unterwegs wie erlaubt.

Die Polizei hatte eine Routine-Geschwindigkeitskontrolle durchgeführt. Sie stoppte den Raser sofort und nahm ihm den Fahrausweis auf der Stelle ab. (SDA/snx)

http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/ost...id2027253.html
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Old September 9th, 2012, 12:26 AM   #2090
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A guy got clocked doing 174 instead of the permitted 80 limit at a routine speed check in the Glarus area today. License lost on the spot.
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Old September 10th, 2012, 12:16 PM   #2091
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I'm wondering if a Baden - Winterthur motorway (further north) isn't a better idea. That way you can bypass the Zürich area completely.
That idea isn't new. It's actually even part of the project plan of the canton.

I doubt it would solve the problems around the city. It would just help those that bypass the whole algomeration.
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Old September 10th, 2012, 11:23 PM   #2092
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Two videos about the completion of the Eyholz tunnel (A9, in French). The nearby Visp tunnel may open one way because of appeals and geological problems (it is composed of two tubes and is Y shaped, with two branches on the eastern end; one tube and one branch were opened in 1997 with two way traffic, so I suppose this will first be converted to an Y shaped eastbound tunnel). Works on another 4 km mainly cut and cover tunnel, called Bois de Finges in the first video, still has to start with a new project. Complete opening of the A9 will be in 2019 or later.

http://www.rts.ch/video/info/journal...-d-eyholz.html

http://www.rts.ch/video/info/journal...-d-eyholz.html
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 11:26 AM   #2093
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This takes too long I dont know what´s the problem of using a shuttletrain or a ferry,its a part of travelling and much more relaxing then spending your vacation time in traffic jams
Shuttle trains take relatively a lot of time, if you consider their average speed, time for loading/unloading, queues at the gates etc. And personally I'd prefer doing an hour in a traffic jam than wasting 2 hours in such a train.

For long distances those shuttles aren't a normal alternative anyway. I've heard (trucker) collegues that used to use the Freiburg - Novara cargo train. 16 hours (during night) in a dirty train, no restaurant, you're forced to sleep with a few 'collegues' (that haven't seen a shower in weeks) in a small cabin and the train is too noisy to be able to sleep anyway...

Ferries are different. I can enjoy a 2-hour ferry to England for instance, I can even enjoy a 3-minute river crossing. Still, if there'd be an alternative road connection, I'd use that.
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Old September 22nd, 2012, 09:40 PM   #2094
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on the Novara-Freiburg RoLa at least there are "new"* coaches now

*well, not new, but heavily refurbished
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 09:55 PM   #2095
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Voters in Ticino approved by 51% a new half-junction (to/from the south only) to be built between Bellinzona Nord and Bellinzona Sud on the A2, to be precise here:

http://maps.google.ch/maps?q=Bellinz...icino&t=h&z=18

As obvious, the percentage of "yes" is proportional to the distance to the junction: the more far the voters live, the less they accept a project, a common problem with referendums. It's curious to note that Biasca voted in favor although its residents will not be able to used it, as the junction is only accessible from the south. Giubiasco is the municipality where most traffic to Bellinzona passes trough, and so will be relieved by the new junction, that's explain the 81% of "yes". The road the new junction will be connected with will be enlarged to 4 lanes over a distance of 500 metres.

Bellinzona
52,6% sì 47,4% no

Lugano
47% sì 53% no

Locarno
45,5% sì 54,5% no

Mendrisio
43,5% sì 56,5% no

Chiasso
39,8% sì 60,2% no

Biasca
53,9% sì 46,1% no

Giubiasco
81,1% sì 18,9% no

(I voted in favour of it, by the way, but I thought it wouldn't have been accepted)
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 10:46 PM   #2096
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A1 through Bern has been widened to 2x3 lanes via the recent renovations. It's the A6-A12 section along the northern side of the city. The shoulder has been replaced by a driving lane.
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Old September 24th, 2012, 05:52 AM   #2097
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It's already been 2×3.
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You're right. I only drove there during roadworks. Weird, a friend of mine who has a second home at the French-Swiss border and drives there often said it's been widened...

The Felsenauviadukt was constructed in 1975. I wonder if it had 2x3 lanes from the beginning or if a shoulder was converted to a driving lane later. According to Google Earth imagery, it's been 2x3 since at least 2002.
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Old September 24th, 2012, 02:11 PM   #2099
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Austria definitely has the best links through the Alps.
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Old September 24th, 2012, 09:01 PM   #2100
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I agree with Road_UK, not fully but mostly. Most here only consider transit: "How do I get the fastest to Italy via the alps". But there are hundreds of thousands of people living along these corridors and they have legitimate interests too.
Thats just plain selfish NIMBY shit. Imagine that Bayern or Baden-Württemberg would have an attitude like that, half of Europe would have been living in the economic stone ages. The Swiss deserve to suffer with their 'we only care about ourselfs' attitude.
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