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Old October 26th, 2012, 11:32 AM   #2121
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RoLa is the acronym for Rollende Landstrasse (in German), while RoRo is a naval acronym for roll on/roll off.
OK, but the meaning behind the words is the same?
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Old October 26th, 2012, 11:52 AM   #2122
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No, "Rollende Landstrasse" can be translated as "rolling highway" or "traveling road", while "RoRo" can be read as "board and alight". But the concept is the same, RoLa is used for trains and RoRo for ships.
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Old October 26th, 2012, 01:49 PM   #2123
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OK, thanks (I speak fluent German, btw. ;-)). In this case Road UK used the wrong term when he wrote RoRo was 'Entire trucks transported on trains.'.
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Old October 26th, 2012, 02:53 PM   #2124
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Sorry.
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Old October 27th, 2012, 12:24 AM   #2125
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RoLa is the acronym for Rollende Landstrasse (in German), while RoRo is a naval acronym for roll on/roll off.
The term RoRo originates from the naval logistics (being the opposite to LoLo, lift on lift off), but it is in use for train transportation, too. It is a generic term not contradicting with translations to other languages. Thus, RoLa is RoRo in German in the context of rail transport.
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Old October 27th, 2012, 12:37 AM   #2126
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In that case I was right, and I want my sorry back.
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Old October 27th, 2012, 02:38 AM   #2127
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You'll need it again, I'm sure. :-P
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Old October 27th, 2012, 04:18 AM   #2128
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Not much. I'm either always right, or I'm stubborn as hell. Big headed is also an option. Usually I'm always right though. They should add this to the FAQ of this forum.
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Old October 27th, 2012, 12:18 PM   #2129
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The term RoRo originates from the naval logistics (being the opposite to LoLo, lift on lift off), but it is in use for train transportation, too. It is a generic term not contradicting with translations to other languages. Thus, RoLa is RoRo in German in the context of rail transport.
Alright. In this case Road UK was right and Coccodrillo was wrong :-)
Thank you, anyway :-)

(Btw. the term RoRo is never used in Hungary, RoLa is well known expression here).
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Old November 10th, 2012, 11:53 PM   #2130
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Pont de la Poya/Poyabrücke, Fribourg/Freiburg. It will link the Saint Léonard and Schönberg neighborhoods of this bilingual city. The project includes a short tunnel, partly natural and partly artificial, and and underground roundabout. The bridge will have two lanes in a direction, one in the other and a separate bicycle and pedestrian path.

The Zähringen bridge will then be closed to private traffic (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pont_de_Zaehringen / http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zähringerbrücke).

It can be seen on Google's 45 degree view: https://maps.google.ch/maps?q=Fribou...burgo&t=k&z=18

http://www.pont-poya.ch/
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Old November 11th, 2012, 12:24 AM   #2131
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I learnt some French in Fribourg. Wow, I didn't expect such a huge bridge to be built there. Wikipedia says it will drag transit traffic away from the cathedral (Philippine nuns can finally pray in peace ), but which traffic will actually use the new bridge? It's not so close to the cathedral.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 07:56 PM   #2132
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It will be used by any traffic going to Schönberg neighbourhood and to the villages east of the river. Remember that the existing bridge will be closed to private traffic.
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Oh yeah, I get it.
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Old November 16th, 2012, 07:21 PM   #2134
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The Seelisberg tunnel is the only link in its region, so 300 m as the crow flies equals to 40 km by road.

==> https://maps.google.ch/maps?saddr=R%...sz=16&t=m&z=12

Note that both points are in the same canton (Uri), thus Seelisberg village is not directly linked with the rest of the canton. Such complicated cantonal borders with many political or practical exclaves (like this one) are quite common and originate easily from centuries ago.
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Old November 18th, 2012, 09:29 PM   #2135
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The Seelisberg tunnel is the only link in its region, so 300 m as the crow flies equals to 40 km by road.

==> https://maps.google.ch/maps?saddr=R%...sz=16&t=m&z=12

Note that both points are in the same canton (Uri), thus Seelisberg village is not directly linked with the rest of the canton. Such complicated cantonal borders with many political or practical exclaves (like this one) are quite common and originate easily from centuries ago.
The shortest non-motorway route goes around the lake, some 100 km.

Of course, in times before the tunnels the lake itself was used for transport, instead of going around it.

And it still is, although not as much.

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Old November 29th, 2012, 08:36 PM   #2136
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Another bit of the tunnel motorway/autostrasse (A16) has been opened today. The Loveresse-Tavannes section is 4 km long, of which 1.2 km in the Sous le Mont tunnel. It has one lane per direction and the traffic for now (with the still incomplete A16) is estimated between 6.000 and 8.000 vehicles per day. The A16 will be finished in 2016, with one or two new short sections every year, except in 2015. Construction will then have lasted for more than 20 years, but on always different sections.

Traffic on the parallel cantonal road today averages 11.000 to 15.000 vehicles per day, in 2030 this is predicted to be around 7.000-9.000 with 10.000 vpd on the A16.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 08:58 PM   #2137
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Hmmm, six years of construction of a 4-kilometer two-lane road.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 10:21 PM   #2138
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but with a tunnel and for little traffic ==> if a slower construction saves money, why not?
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Old November 29th, 2012, 10:47 PM   #2139
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but with a tunnel and for little traffic ==> if a slower construction saves money, why not?
I fail to see how a slower construction can save money. Workers have to be paid for more time...
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A5 between Zuchwil and Biel-Ost took 31 years from the first idea to the completion...
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