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Old November 30th, 2012, 01:36 AM   #2141
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I fail to see how a slower construction can save money. Workers have to be paid for more time...
But then there are less workers necessary. Man-hours amount stays mostly the same and quality is usually better.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 08:46 AM   #2142
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Slow construction is only cheaper on a "per year" basis, not overall.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 01:22 PM   #2143
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If you consider just man-hours, then yes.

If you take into account also financing costs, then difference is much greater especially when making very expensive projects.
For example:
project costs 1000 beans
investor has 100 beans available yearly in his portfolio
So if he wants to make that project in 3 years, then he needs to get 700 beans in credits. If in 6 years, then just 400 beans.
In first case he will pay about 200 additional beans in interests in next 15 years, this is 1200 beans altogether.
In second case he will pay about 60 additional beans in interests in next 8 years, this is 1060 beans altogether with the same annuity.

Difference in total project cost is then 140 beans or about 14 %.

This is very simplified comparison, but you'll get the point.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 01:52 PM   #2144
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I agree with you, however, right now, the Swiss economy is one of the most stable in the World and they car borrow money for 10 or 15 years paying extremely low (less than 1%) yield on bonds (interest rates).
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Old November 30th, 2012, 04:26 PM   #2145
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This is very simplified comparison ....
It's not just simplified; it's fundamentally flawed. Money is not "available" per project at a fixed rate per year. More realistically, the choice is between financing fast projects serially or slow projects in parallel. To illustrate, consider financing one project in full every year or one tenth of a project per year over ten years with ten projects ongoing at any time, with one new project starting and one completing every year.

Either way, the choice between financing by taking from the taxpayers immediately or financing via debt and taking later from the taxpayers to repay the debt is the same. The difference in practice is that slow projects mean that if money is borrowed, it's borrowed for a longer period of time, so interest is higher, but that is partly (sometimes wholly) offset by the lower value of future money.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 05:02 PM   #2146
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I agree with you, however, right now, the Swiss economy is one of the most stable in the World and they car borrow money for 10 or 15 years paying extremely low (less than 1%) yield on bonds (interest rates).
Around 10 years ago public debt was so high that following a referendum citizens decided to save money to lower it. So it decreased from...55% to 40%.

It's outside Swiss mentality to allow the government to borrow (too much) money, thus (simplifying) public works cannot be started if there is not enough money, or at least a safe way to find that money, or if projects are not considered good value for money (not necessarily economically profitable and sure, there are exceptions).
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 12:10 AM   #2147
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Here some news concerning the works on the motorway entrance Bern-Wankdorf:

Since October 31 A6/A1 heading Zürich can be entered directly from Bolligenstrasse and the detour via Wankdorfplatz isn't necessary anymore.

Here some pics I took today:













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Old December 2nd, 2012, 01:05 AM   #2148
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Thanks for the pics; Wankdorf interchange looking even more impressive than before. Are there still the police hiding right of the last picture?
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 12:26 PM   #2149
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Since October 31 A6/A1 heading Zürich can be entered directly from Bolligenstrasse and the detour via Wankdorfplatz isn't necessary anymore.
Good, with the construction site there, driving from the BEA Expo to the A1 was a real challenge.

Will they build the same in the other direction?
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 01:27 PM   #2150
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The exit is also rebuilt an in service already. If you go to Ostermundigen, you don't need to cross Wankdorfplatz anymore. For going to BEA or the city-center, all remains the same as it was before.

Here the map from wankdorfplatz.ch
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Old December 8th, 2012, 12:27 AM   #2151
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About time for me to post again some photos here

A3 motorway running south of Lake Walensee, taken from an elevated service station near Mols (SG), offering a magnificent view on lake and mountains:

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Old December 8th, 2012, 02:07 AM   #2152
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Once I was sitting there ten years ago, it was the first time I saw a digital camera. I just don't know how we got there since we drove towards Zürich. EDIT: we were here. But also at the above rest area a couple of times.

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Old December 8th, 2012, 08:21 PM   #2153
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Riding from Chur (GR) towards Laax (GR), on main road 19 (with some detours into villages):

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Old December 9th, 2012, 10:21 PM   #2154
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Yet another tunnel will open tomorrow: the 3.5 km Lungern bypass on the A8.

http://www.a8-ow.ch/main.html

Some photos by Marcel from Wegenforum.nl can be found here:

https://picasaweb.google.com/1137659...56615646421538

https://picasaweb.google.com/1137659...55846130336066

https://picasaweb.google.com/monterie.ch/A8Lungern

There is a plan also for a tunnel under the Brünig pass but that's not for tomorrow.
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Old December 9th, 2012, 11:43 PM   #2155
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What are the chances of a new major highway, paid for the Swiss, on the south shore of Lac L`eman?
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Old December 10th, 2012, 12:08 AM   #2156
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Around 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%.
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Old December 10th, 2012, 03:08 AM   #2157
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Yet another tunnel will open tomorrow: the 3.5 km Lungern bypass on the A8.
It's already in GMaps.


When was this expressway built?
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Old December 10th, 2012, 11:01 AM   #2158
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four years ago i was in zurich to see friends of mine and we went to luzern for the short trip. we passed zug and my friends told me that they are building some road/higway tunnel in there. has anybody any idea what's that for a tunnel and where it might be situated ?
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Old December 10th, 2012, 05:56 PM   #2159
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That was likely the A4 from Zürich to Cham, which opened 13 November 2009.
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Old December 10th, 2012, 06:22 PM   #2160
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Here: https://maps.google.ch/maps?q=Z%C3%B...urigo&t=m&z=14

Beside that, there was a plan to link A4a with A3 (the so called Hirzeltunnel).
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