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Old December 22nd, 2012, 10:55 AM   #2181
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It looks "cool", but since many people have no idea how to drive in a two-lane roundabout, its pretty dangerous.
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Old December 22nd, 2012, 08:42 PM   #2182
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Was this the former transit route through Zürich before the motorway around the city opened to traffic in 2009?
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 12:49 PM   #2183
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Was this the former transit route through Zürich before the motorway around the city opened to traffic in 2009?
Yes. I had to go through the city many times (route Geneva to Schaffhausen)
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 12:53 PM   #2184
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Are you sure? Genève - Schaffhausen could be done by motorway since 1985.
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 01:01 PM   #2185
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Which route?
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 02:03 PM   #2186
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A1/A4 along the northern side of Zürich was completed by 1985. A3/A4 along the western and southern side was completed in 2009.

The transit route through the city until 2009 was for traffic from Basel to Chur or Schaffhausen to Luzern.
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Old December 25th, 2012, 05:07 PM   #2187
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If you don't have anything to do these days...

Beschränkung der Fahrspuren am Gotthard soll gesetzlich verankert werden
http://www.astra.admin.ch/dokumentat...e&msg-id=47286

La limitation du nombre de voies de circulation au Gothard sera ancrée dans la loi
http://www.astra.admin.ch/dokumentat...r&msg-id=47286

Gottardo: le corsie di marcia siano limitate per legge
http://www.astra.admin.ch/dokumentat...t&msg-id=47286

...here there are more details about the procedures going on for the proposed second tunnel.

Briefly:
1) the law would be modified to forbid more than one lane per direction
2) the Blockabfertigung would remain in place (at least for trucks)
3) there will be no toll to use and finance the second tube (beside the existing vignette), and the truck toll for Basel-Chiasso cannot be higher than 325 CHF/270 EUR because of the EU*
4) if the parliament approves this law opponents will be able to collect signatures and start a referendum (which is nearly inevitable), which may be held between the end of 2014 and the beginning of 2015

*which is lower than the toll for the Mont Blanc tunnel alone, without the A40 and A5, but apparently the EU is happy about that and doesn't complain...
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Old December 25th, 2012, 09:09 PM   #2188
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Beschränkung der Fahrspuren am Gotthard soll gesetzlich verankert werden
http://www.astra.admin.ch/dokumentat...e&msg-id=47286
The article says 50% of gasoline tax is used for funding of national roads. Where do the remaining 50% go?
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Old December 25th, 2012, 09:56 PM   #2189
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To the general budget of the state. Remember that it's a tax, not a toll, so it's normal that it goes elsewhere, and not only to those who paid it.
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Old December 25th, 2012, 10:01 PM   #2190
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Note that the fuel tax in Switzerland is actually lower than the fuel tax supplement. It's a better situation than the Netherlands though, where only a minor fraction of the fuel tax is spent on the road network.
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Old December 29th, 2012, 03:43 PM   #2191
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AADT for car shuttles in CH

Does anyone know what is the traffic on each of the Swiss car shuttles:

- Lötschberg
- Furka
- Abula
- Vereina
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Old December 29th, 2012, 11:55 PM   #2192
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By heart, in brackets the shuttle headway:

Lötschberg: 1.600.000 vehicles per year, or around 4.000/6.000 a day (every 30 minutes, every 15 at peaks)

Lötschberg-Simplon: unknown, 5 to 10 departures per direction, but only on peak holiday days (maybe ~20 spread all over the year)

Simplon: 100.000 vehicles per year, every two hours

Furka: 200.000 vehicles a year, every hour (every 30 minutes Friday to Monday)

Oberalp: unknown, 4 trains per day per direction in winter, with rarely more than 7 cars each

Albula: the service was suspended some years ago, surely not more than a train per hour (probably less)

Vereina: 400.000 vehicles per year, a train every 30 minutes (I think with some unscheduled extras at peak times, not shown on timetables)

Gotthard: suspended with the opening of the road tunnel in 1980, last run at the end of 2001 after the fire, if I remember correctly the last full year of operation it had 500.000 per year

These services carry mostly cars, motorbikes and some bicycles, and very few trucks, with a heigh limitation of around 3.80 m. I know of companies that bought or modified trucks expressly to fit this limited loading gauge. However, all these services except the Lötschberg are on local roads with limited traffic.

The Lötschberg-Simplon, Oberalp, Albula and probably the Simplon services are or were only for cars/bikes.

For trucks, there are then 10 RoRo trains transiting on the Lötschberg-Simplon railway but without commercial stops in Switzerland, and a single train pair Lugano-Basel. When the Gotthard road tunnel was closed because of the fire in 2001 some extra RoRo trains were operated between Lugano and Altdorf.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 02:35 PM   #2193
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So was the Albula shuttle closed? My 2013 Michelin map still shows it, and also shows that the road pass is closed November through April.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 07:16 PM   #2194
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The Albula pass road is always closed in winter (and used as a bob/sled track), now without replacement (beside the Julier).
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Old December 30th, 2012, 08:13 PM   #2195
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The Albula pass road is always closed in winter (and used as a bob/sled track), now without replacement (beside the Julier).
The Albulapass is lower than the Julierpass I think... St. Moritz is a very isolated city. Some road tunnel would serve well there (I assume tunnels there are not forbidden).

They should link Juf with the Albula pass road. I never drove to Juf, want to do someday.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 08:35 PM   #2196
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The Albulapass is lower than the Julierpass I think... St. Moritz is a very isolated city. Some road tunnel would serve well there (I assume tunnels there are not forbidden).

They should link Juf with the Albula pass road. I never drove to Juf, want to do someday.
Juf is the highest settlement in Europe.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 10:43 PM   #2197
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Juf is the highest settlement in Europe.
Didn't know that.

I know there is a hydro power dam whose road access is unfortunately closed.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 11:30 PM   #2198
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The Juf area is not that spectacular compared to some other valleys. If you want a similar height valley, go to Lac de Moiry. Not crowded with tourists, but spectacular views on the glaciers and snow-capped mountains.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 11:35 PM   #2199
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Some road tunnel would serve well there (I assume tunnels there are not forbidden).
Tunnels there are not forbidden, but forget them. Only the short 700 m Silvaplana bypass tunnel finally went into construction (opening in 2016).

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I know there is a hydro power dam whose road access is unfortunately closed.
In this region I know only the one to the Val di Lei:

http://maps.google.ch/maps?q=Ferrera...gioni&t=m&z=15

Note that the Swiss rectangle containing the dam is outside the Swiss "custom area". I remember having seen before the tunnel advices telling the limits of goods allowed through the border, even if the dam is in Switzerland and even if the few "roads" located in Italy there are not connected to the rest of the Italian network.
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Old December 31st, 2012, 12:55 AM   #2200
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I'm also wondering what if any modification has there been to controls near Campione d'Italia after Switzerland joined Schengen (I last visited there in 2007 I think).
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