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Old December 31st, 2012, 01:17 AM   #2201
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I'm also wondering what if any modification has there been to controls near Campione d'Italia after Switzerland joined Schengen (I last visited there in 2007 I think).
No border checks ever existed between Campione and CH, nor before Schengen neither today. It has always been part of the Swiss custom area. It uses Swiss currency, post and phone services, VAT and license plates. But it has Carabinieri and Guardia di Finanza (who drive Swiss-plated cars ) and Italian laws are valid there.
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Old December 31st, 2012, 01:22 AM   #2202
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In this region I know only the one to the Val di Lei:

http://maps.google.ch/maps?q=Ferrera...gioni&t=m&z=15

Note that the Swiss rectangle containing the dam is outside the Swiss "custom area". I remember having seen before the tunnel advices telling the limits of goods allowed through the border, even if the dam is in Switzerland and even if the few "roads" located in Italy there are not connected to the rest of the Italian network.
Val di Lei is the only piece of Italian soil belonging to North Sea tributary basin. Water from rain and melting snow flow into streams that flow in the Rhine and goes all the way to Rotterdam!

There is another place in Italy accessible only via CH: Bagni di Craveggia (actually the Swiss road ends at the border and you must walk to the Italian village).
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Old December 31st, 2012, 03:24 AM   #2203
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I traveled to Campione just twice, one I don't remember much, the second I'm sure there were some guards waving cars through. Maybe a non-custom checkpoint?
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Old December 31st, 2012, 12:19 PM   #2204
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I traveled to Campione just twice, one I don't remember much, the second I'm sure there were some guards waving cars through. Maybe a non-custom checkpoint?
It could be. Even before Schengen you could sail a boat from the Italian shore of Lugano lake to Campione and then walk or take a taxi into CH without passing any border checks.
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Old December 31st, 2012, 08:05 PM   #2205
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I don't know if it's legal. When I rented a boat they told me that I could not enter Italy even remaining on water because of custom reason (in Switzerland it's possible to rent small boats without a driving licence for boats, so it's maybe because of that that I could not enter Italy).
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Old January 21st, 2013, 11:43 AM   #2206
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I don't know if it's legal. When I rented a boat they told me that I could not enter Italy even remaining on water because of custom reason (in Switzerland it's possible to rent small boats without a driving licence for boats, so it's maybe because of that that I could not enter Italy).
If in Switzerland you can do so then it's for that motivation you cannot enter Italy. I don't know what are the Italian limits but almost every boat need a licence to be piloted.

Talking about customs: now Switzerland is a Schengen country so you can cross the border between Switzerland and Italy with a boat too.

Obviously (as CH is Schengen only for people but not for goods) you cannot take into Italy/Switzerland goods over the legal limits.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 12:23 PM   #2207
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If in Switzerland you can do so then it's for that motivation you cannot enter Italy. I don't know what are the Italian limits but almost every boat need a licence to be piloted.

Talking about customs: now Switzerland is a Schengen country so you can cross the border between Switzerland and Italy with a boat too.

Obviously (as CH is Schengen only for people but not for goods) you cannot take into Italy/Switzerland goods over the legal limits.
Was legal, before Schengen, to sail berween Campione and mainland Italy? There were no border checks between Campione and CH.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 12:56 PM   #2208
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I doubt, because Campione was and is inside Switzerland's custom area (similar to the Kleinwalsertal in Austria, when it was inside Germany's customs union).
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Old January 21st, 2013, 01:04 PM   #2209
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Livigno is an even stranger case.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 01:09 PM   #2210
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Not at all. Livigno is accessible on Italian roads.

(Edit: ah sorry, you mean the customs status.)
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Old February 1st, 2013, 01:38 PM   #2211
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Are there any plans to continue the A5 from Biel to La Neuveville after the completion of the (partially) underground bypass?
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 12:03 AM   #2212
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No, there aren't serious plans, that's why Biel-Bienne bypass in the south will have a single tunnel with one lane per direction, unlike the northern part.

A motorway ther would be expensive, and the existing road is fast enough.
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 10:28 AM   #2213
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No, there aren't serious plans, that's why Biel-Bienne bypass in the south will have a single tunnel with one lane per direction, unlike the northern part.

A motorway ther would be expensive, and the existing road is fast enough.
I guess you're right, the road is fast, the problem is passing through Biel-Bienne. Thanks for the info!
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 11:14 AM   #2214
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I've driven that road in 2010, it was not busy there. The Biel/Bienne transit route was much more time-consuming. Furthermore, due to the strip development along the La Neuveville - Biel/Bienne road, much of a new road would have to be in tunnels.

The low traffic volumes near language borders in Switzerland are quite remarkable. One minute you're driving in loaded Bern, and then 15 minutes later it's an empty motorway near Murten.
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It would be interesting to see how traffic varies in Europe where the language border is also a state border (Liège-Maastricht-Aachen), where it is not (between the three language areas of Belgium), and where there is a state border but not a language border (Ticino-Milano, Nordtirol-Südtirol, Antwerpen-Breda).
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It would be interesting to see how traffic varies in Europe where the language border is also a state border (Liège-Maastricht-Aachen), where it is not (between the three language areas of Belgium), and where there is a state border but not a language border (Ticino-Milano, Nordtirol-Südtirol, Antwerpen-Breda).
Yes, this would be very interesting, but keep in mind that it will change as English becomes universally known throughout Europe.
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It is already close to universally known among the younger generation. In Switzerland young (30 and under) people from German speaking areas are much more likely to be fluent in English than French. I've heard that knowledge of German in French speaking areas is more poor than the other way around. Nevertheless the working language is the local one (except in large multinationals) so moving between language areas is not that easy and it mostly occurs for upper class occupations.
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Old February 2nd, 2013, 05:28 PM   #2218
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The low traffic volumes near language borders in Switzerland are quite remarkable. One minute you're driving in loaded Bern, and then 15 minutes later it's an empty motorway near Murten.
Well traffic is also split there to the A1 and A12.
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But how is English knowledge among young people not on a college-track career? Do they learn good English? Then, it can be envisioned a future where English is the language of communication between Swiss from different areas.
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From my experience on trains between Bern (100% German-speaking) and Fribourg (80% FR/20% DE) there are quite a lot of French-speaking commuters, but being the capital there are many French- and Italian-speakers living and working there.

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Then, it can be envisioned a future where English is the language of communication between Swiss from different areas.
That's a sad risk, and that's why I try to write or speak in German as much as possible instead of using English, even if it takes me more time and if it's harder. And I continue to read in German in my free time, hoping to improve my knowledge, as once finished school I didn't have occasions and need (for work) to study it.

(I speak Italian as first language and French fluently)
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