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Old September 10th, 2013, 07:30 PM   #2401
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I read on tunnelbuilder that San Bernardino tunnel is going to be "upgraded", with works from 2014 to 2019. What does that mean? Wasn't San Bernardino completely refurbished from early 90s to mid-2000?
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Old September 10th, 2013, 10:47 PM   #2402
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I just googled for it. As I understand it, it's the rest of the San Bernadino route that will be upgraded, to prepare it for the extra traffic when the Gotthard tunnel is fully or partially closed.
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Old September 10th, 2013, 10:48 PM   #2403
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Yes it has been refurbished around 2000-2005.

More details of the call for tenders (in French) I haven't read: https://www.simap.ch/shabforms/COMMO...archresult.jsf

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Old October 4th, 2013, 11:00 PM   #2404
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After 160 years of planning the Zollfreistrasse in Basel opened. It is named B317, as it connects German land without connections to the Swiss road network.

http://www.srf.ch/news/regional/base...iell-eroeffnet

https://maps.google.ch/maps?q=Basel&...C3%A0&t=m&z=16

Another similar example is the Slovenian road 402 near Gorizia, Italy.

https://maps.google.ch/maps?q=Gorizi...talia&t=m&z=15
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Old October 4th, 2013, 11:05 PM   #2405
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There's also a German road through Belgian territory from Aachen to Monschau.
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Old October 4th, 2013, 11:16 PM   #2406
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This is a former Dutch road on German territory. Not sure why the Dutch returned it. http://goo.gl/maps/32klM
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Old October 4th, 2013, 11:29 PM   #2407
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The border weaves a rather complicated pattern there. I sometimes cycle along the Wiese river and it's not always obvious were exactly Switzerland ends and Germany begins.
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Old October 5th, 2013, 06:44 AM   #2408
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This is a former Dutch road on German territory. Not sure why the Dutch returned it. http://goo.gl/maps/32klM
Before Schengen that used to be the Niederländischer Durchgangsstraße, and you were unable to get on or come off in Germany on that road. After they've opened the borders up they've built a few junctions and roundabouts and it's now a fully German road also accessible for locals.
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Old October 14th, 2013, 12:51 PM   #2409
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An electronic vignette is being considered, but not before 2019. Nothing more is known at this stage. I don't know if this means that vignettes for shorter time will also be available, but if this is the case, the toll for cars in transit will become cheaper than now, thus some might oppose it.

The referendum against the price increase from 40 to 100 CHF a year with the introduction of the 2-month vignette for 40 CHF will be held on 24 November, if this is refused then the additional 400 km of existing roads will not pass to the Federal government and even more federal projects (mainly motorways) will be delayed even more (A13 Bellinzona-Locarno, A20 bypasses, ...). Existing projects will continue as now, even the snailway (A9 Wallis).
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Old October 29th, 2013, 09:47 PM   #2410
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The Moutier Sud - Court section on A16 will open on 5th November. It is 3.1 km long and mainly composed by the 2.4 km Graitery tunnel. A shorter ~300 m tunnel lies on a diversion of a local road built to bypass a railway crossing and to connect the A16 with the H6.

For a list of the next openings, see here: http://www.a16.ch/A/a16_clic.pdf
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Old November 1st, 2013, 06:23 PM   #2411
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The Moutier Sud - Court section on A16 will open on 5th November.
For a list of the next openings, see here: http://www.a16.ch/A/a16_clic.pdf
Will all four missing A16 sections feature 4 lanes after their estimated completion in 2016?
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Old November 1st, 2013, 06:37 PM   #2412
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Something I never understood is the twisting alignment of A16. It makes for longer trips for anyone not goint from Delemont to Bienne.

They should have linked Court with A5 near Grënchen. That way it would have still provided a good link from Bienne but saved some 10km from people travelling from A1 (Solothurn)
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Old November 2nd, 2013, 12:06 AM   #2413
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That's the problem if you build infrastructure for political only. The motorway is pretty much built as local subsidy program for the Jura region and has no purpose for over regional traffic.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 11:44 AM   #2414
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Are there any plans to widen (or partially widen by opening hard shoulder as a third lane) the sections Lausanne-Genève and Bern-Zürich in the near future?

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Old November 4th, 2013, 02:11 PM   #2415
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Are there any plans to widen (or partially widen by opening hard shoulder as a third lane) the sections Lausanne-Genève and Bern-Zürich in the near future?
At this time, the section Härkingen -> Wiggertal is U/C and the section Luterbach -> Härkingen is projected (http://www.astra.admin.ch/autobahnsc...x.html?lang=de). Further than that, I am not aware of any projects on A1 (beside the widening of the Zurich northern bypass).
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Old November 4th, 2013, 02:16 PM   #2416
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They should widen the entire length of motorways Bern-Zurich and Geneva-Lausanne to 6 lanes.
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Old November 4th, 2013, 07:25 PM   #2417
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Will all four missing A16 sections feature 4 lanes after their estimated completion in 2016?
No. Basically all long tunnels + most of Loveresse-Moutier Sud will be 1+1.

Remember that around half of the 80 km of the motorway are in tunnels:

http://www.lotsberg.net/data/sveits/A16CH.html

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They should have linked Court with A5 near Grënchen. That way it would have still provided a good link from Bienne but saved some 10km from people travelling from A1 (Solothurn)
I agree. Note that it would have needed an ~8 km tunnel, so a "big" expense at once without the ability to split the construction along 3 or 4 decades.

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Are there any plans to widen (or partially widen by opening hard shoulder as a third lane) the sections Lausanne-Genève and Bern-Zürich in the near future?
A popular initiative asked for that in 2004, together with the second Gotthard road tunnel, but it was refused by two thirds of voters (DE-FR-IT):

http://www.admin.ch/ch/i/pore/vi/vis299.html

http://www.admin.ch/ch/i/pore/va/20040208/det504.html

http://www.admin.ch/ch/i/pore/vi/vis299t.html
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Old November 5th, 2013, 09:52 AM   #2418
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This link shows the amount of traffic in Switzerland by the different modes in passenger kilometres:

http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/d...11/01/key.html

Is the same information available in terms of numbers of trips?
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A popular initiative asked for that in 2004, together with the second Gotthard road tunnel, but it was refused by two thirds of voters (DE-FR-IT):

http://www.admin.ch/ch/i/pore/vi/vis299.html

http://www.admin.ch/ch/i/pore/va/20040208/det504.html

http://www.admin.ch/ch/i/pore/vi/vis299t.html
The initiative "Avanti" was retracted before the vote but instead, the counter-project of the Federal Council was the subject. Perhaps, it may have influenced the voters, as many regions have been disadvantaged in this last (by putting more money into agglomerations instead of building better roads elsewhere).

http://www.vs.ch/Repository/DS_369/C..._080204_fr.pdf
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Yes, the vote was on the counter-project, I didn't specify that because the two were quite similar and for non-Swiss the difference wasn't important to understand this vote. Basically in Switzerland citizens can propose a new law (which can also be for a specific infrastructure project), in this case the "Avanti-Initiative", then the government can if it wish to propose a counter-project. Voters can then decide between the project, the counter-project (not both) or nothing at all. Except when the popular initiative is retired by proponents, in which case only the counter-project will be put to vote like happened with Avanti.

We will see when and if the equivalent of "Rail 2000" for roads now under discussion will be put to vote.

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This link shows the amount of traffic in Switzerland by the different modes in passenger kilometres:

http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/d...11/01/key.html

Is the same information available in terms of numbers of trips?
Something can be found here: http://www.litra.ch/de/Zahlen-und-Fa...Verkehrszahlen (pages 10 to 12 of the PDF, also in French selecting that language on the top of the page)
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