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Old December 12th, 2013, 07:43 PM   #2541
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What is the story behind these stubs in Zürich?

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Old December 12th, 2013, 07:59 PM   #2542
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Pedant.
Au contraire, fighting the "ß" is the duty of every good and brave Swiss.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 08:02 PM   #2543
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What is the story behind these stubs in Zürich?

https://goo.gl/maps/MeOiz
The infamous "Y". The plan was to have the A1 and A3 to meet near the Central station:


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Old December 12th, 2013, 09:16 PM   #2544
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This plan looks awesome By the style of drawings I assume they are rather old though
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Old December 12th, 2013, 09:17 PM   #2545
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A full Y is unnecessary today. Nowadays road traffic patterns are much more dispersed than in the 1960s, and far less focused on city centers. A north-south route on the eastern side of Zürich is a missing link though.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 09:21 PM   #2546
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Au contraire, fighting the "ß" is the duty of every good and brave Swiss.
Considering Schwyzerdütsch, it's more like fighting Hochdeutsch is the duty of every good and brave Swiss.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 09:26 PM   #2547
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This plan looks awesome By the style of drawings I assume they are rather old though
As a bridge this project is dead. It still lives as a pipe dream in a tunnel version.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 11:00 PM   #2548
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It's "Pass" in Germany, too. Not every ss is a ß.
But it used to be "Paß"?


http://www.saengerrunde-ebental.com/...anderung08.htm
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Old December 12th, 2013, 11:04 PM   #2549
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Is this still a faster route from Chur than the old car transport Albula, which has shut down couple years ago?
No, but from Landquart and beyond going via the Vereina or the Albula is the same distance (travel time depends on train schedules, there is a shuttle every 30 minutes, with sometimes an extra train). However, some people might don't like driving mountain passes in winter.

It's the same reason of the Albula shuttle, it wasn't faster than the road, still some people used it.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 11:18 PM   #2550
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But I think the Fluelapass road closes for winter, doesn't it?

I drove there once in 2007 I think, I was stunned by the views, it is a different road pass compared to Julier or Bernina routes, but I couldn't help myself think that narrow valley with steep mountains (but not steep enough to make cliffs) is avalanche prime zone.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 11:26 PM   #2551
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But it used to be "Paß"?
I was really good in orthography. Once my German teacher said about me that I never make orthography mistakes. But I don't accept the crackbrained 1996 reform, I am ignoring it and I don't care if it is a "Pass" or a "Paß".
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Old December 13th, 2013, 08:20 AM   #2552
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Julierpass and Malojapass are spelled this way since the 1930'ies.
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Old December 13th, 2013, 12:46 PM   #2553
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Nowadays, a complete Y in the center of Zurich is unnecessary, as the traffic needs evolved and bypasses were build.

Though, an Eastern city-through expressway would have been a good idea to shorten distance/travel time from North to South-West of Zurich, since it lacks only very few kilometers to link A1L to A3W.

A tunnel, therefore, can be totally undertaken. I wonder, if under current projects, the Milchbuck Tunnel is going to be widen or doubled, since it is in 2+1 configuration.
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Old December 13th, 2013, 01:24 PM   #2554
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Also, there is a missing link between A4a and A3 (on route Lucerne/Zug-Pfäffikon/Chur):

https://maps.google.ch/maps?saddr=Ro...sz=13&t=m&z=10

With more than 20'000 vehicles per day, it is vital to complete this bottleneck.


Though, there are projects since decades to built the missing link under the Hirzel Pass:


But, as often in CH, some projects take an eternity until they are being realized.

Here a link to the website of the pro-tunnel committee: http://www.hirzel-strassentunnel.ch/franz/index.html
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This was much worse, I think ,before the Islisberg tunnel to Zurich was completed in 2010.

They should also close the gap on A53 east of Zurich and the a2 gap between Schywz and Altdorf
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This was much worse, I think ,before the Islisberg tunnel to Zurich was completed in 2010.
This route A4 "Islisberg tunnel" was the missing link from Interlaken/Luzern/Zug to Zurich/North-East of Switzerland for almost 40 years! Therefore, it didn't replace the need to have a short, but good connexion to Eastern Switzerland via A4a-A3.

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They should also close the gap on A53 east of Zurich and the a2 gap between Schywz and Altdorf
I agree, the A53 has to be linked together, as well.

The A4 "Axenstrasse" was improved in the late 70's, early 80's to have the road we know nowadays - which is more similar to an 1+1 "autostrasse", with many tunnels and structures, than a basic cantonal road.
This route has fewer traffic, and already have an improved course, so it is not a priority for the moment.
It should be made this kind of amelioration for the A4a-A3 link, as an "autostrasse" 1+1 with sections of 2+1 and a tunnel under Hirzel, for this moment, as it will be cheaper and easier to put into function quickly.

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Between Brunnen and Flüelen two tunnels are now under construction since a few months (at Swiss speeds, this means another decade of waiting-more likely 2025). So there will be a continuous motorway between Zürich and the A2, with the exception of ~8 km of autostrasse and ~2 km of the existing road (the fourth and last Axen's tunnel will not be built for the moment). Search for A4 Axenstarsse/Sisikonertunnel/Morschacher tunnel in this thread.

The government is planning a road equivalent of Rail 2000, which would be put to popular vote around 2016, so we must wait some months/years to know something about that. Until the approval of that project, hardly nothing will be done (except finishing projects under construction like Axenstrasse, A9 and A16).
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Old December 13th, 2013, 06:54 PM   #2558
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Most terms related to Swiss roads are known in German.

However, what are the names of the following items in French and Italian (Switzerland-specific)?

* Autobahn = Autoroute / Autostrada
* Autostrasse = ?
* Hauptstrasse = Route principale?
* Kantonstrasse = Route cantonale?
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Kantonsstrasse and Hauptstrasse are not related terms. Kantonstrasse is just any street/road that is owned by the canton. Hauptstrasse is a street/road with right of way (priority).
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Old December 13th, 2013, 08:18 PM   #2560
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Most terms related to Swiss roads are known in German.

However, what are the names of the following items in French and Italian (Switzerland-specific)?

* Autobahn = Autoroute / Autostrada
* Autostrasse = ?
* Hauptstrasse = Route principale?
* Kantonstrasse = Route cantonale?
In Italian they should be autostrada, semiautostrada, strada principale , strada cantonale
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