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Old February 10th, 2014, 02:03 AM   #2601
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I don't think the Swiss referendum actually changes much. It's just making a situation permanent that has been practice for years. The Swiss truck toll is not a user fee but simply a tax.

A few years ago the Germans decided to direct all revenue from truck tolls into roads, but at the same time they reduced the regular road funding by the same amount, resulting in no net increase in road funding.

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This vote is not about border controls, but about limiting immigration, which, being against EU laws, will certainly pose problems with the EU-Switzerland bilateral treaties. Switzerland is not in the EU, but many Swiss feel it as an oppressive entity, a feeling apparently found also in many EU states...it is sad, because the EU is a nice concept...if it worked.
Exactly, the referendum isn't about Schengen but about immigration. Tourists will still be able to enter CH like today but if you want to live and work in CH you must accomplish with the new law, that estabilish a ceiling to the number of foreign workers.

Switzerland isn't in EU and so it's free to make any law about immigration. EU can't do nothing more than complaining, since Switzerland isn't a member state and EU regulations and directives haven't influence on the Swiss legislation.

Yes, EU is a nice concept because it allows free moviment of travellers, students, workers, easy cultural and linguistic exchanges, free trade of goods without custom fees (so lower prices for EU products), warranty of respect of human rights in all countries, no conflicts between countries, strict safety controls on goods sold in EU, no hassle to queue at border crossings, get passports and visas, changing currencies,...
It seems sometimes that EU went too far with over-regulating everything, but it's also true that a "common market" or a "free-movement area" is impossible if different states have different laws incompatible each other.
However, most anti-EU sentiment is caused by the common currency, that it's considered by some to be one of the main causes of the recent crisis, especially in southern Europe. Eurosceptic parties are growing across the continent and most times euroscepticism goes hand in hand with xenophoby, nationalism and far-right extremism. Or maybe their "racist behaviour" is exhagerated by pro-EU media to discredit them.
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Old February 10th, 2014, 07:36 AM   #2602
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Switzerland isn't in EU and so it's free to make any law about immigration. EU can't do nothing more than complaining, since Switzerland isn't a member state and EU regulations and directives haven't influence on the Swiss legislation.
Nope, It is quite different. The agreements of the EU with Switzerland and vice versa are a package deal. If Switzerland denies the EU citizens certain rights in Switzerland, it will lose certain rights in the EU. BTW, there are more than 500 000 Swiss citizens residing in the EU.

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Old February 10th, 2014, 05:35 PM   #2603
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Exactly, the referendum isn't about Schengen but about immigration. Tourists will still be able to enter CH like today but if you want to live and work in CH you must accomplish with the new law, that estabilish a ceiling to the number of foreign workers.

Switzerland isn't in EU and so it's free to make any law about immigration. EU can't do nothing more than complaining, since Switzerland isn't a member state and EU regulations and directives haven't influence on the Swiss legislation.

Yes, EU is a nice concept because it allows free moviment of travellers, students, workers, easy cultural and linguistic exchanges, free trade of goods without custom fees (so lower prices for EU products), warranty of respect of human rights in all countries, no conflicts between countries, strict safety controls on goods sold in EU, no hassle to queue at border crossings, get passports and visas, changing currencies,...
It seems sometimes that EU went too far with over-regulating everything, but it's also true that a "common market" or a "free-movement area" is impossible if different states have different laws incompatible each other.
However, most anti-EU sentiment is caused by the common currency, that it's considered by some to be one of the main causes of the recent crisis, especially in southern Europe. Eurosceptic parties are growing across the continent and most times euroscepticism goes hand in hand with xenophoby, nationalism and far-right extremism. Or maybe their "racist behaviour" is exhagerated by pro-EU media to discredit them.
The Swiss agreements with the EU also cover road and rail traffic. If the Swiss withdraw from the agreement on freedom of movement, then six other agreements with the EU, including the agreements on road and trail traffic, are automatically stopped within 6 months.
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Old February 15th, 2014, 02:33 PM   #2604
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A9

There are currently two of four A9 sections u/c:
- Leuk/Susten-East – Steg/Gampel-East 12 11.5km (2004 to 2017) – projectmap
- Visp-West – Visp-East 12 ?km (? to 2019) – projectmap

It was announced in June 2012 that the entire A9 will be completed until 2019. But there are delays thus the A9 will be completed at earliest in 2025 (source).
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Old February 15th, 2014, 06:54 PM   #2605
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It will never be completed, if nobody works on it...I travel there by train 5 or 6 times a year, and I have never seen anybody working on it.

The main and more needed objects of this motorway are the ~2.8 km Visper and the ~4.2 km Eyholz tunnels. The Eyholz tunnel has already been bored and just needs internal lining and equipment. The eastbound tube of the Visper tunnel is even already in operation on the Zermatt branch (with two-way traffic), and bored on the main branch. The westbound tube (also Y-shaped) is still being excavated.

The other big tunnel is a cut&cover one between Sierre and Susten (4 km long), not even started. From Visp towards the west there are some signs that something is being done, like a short tunnel here, flat land without grass there, and so on. But not much ressembling a road really under construction. The project dates back to the 1990s at least, and the idea of building a motorway there is even older (1960s, with the national motorway plan).

I'm sure that technically the Visp bypass could be opened within a couple of years on one carriageway (to be used with two-way traffic, or eastbound only), which would already be a nice thing. However it is not a technical problem, but a political one.

So...wait, wait, wait and...wait. And wait again. And again. And again...
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Old February 15th, 2014, 11:41 PM   #2606
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Nope, It is quite different. The agreements of the EU with Switzerland and vice versa are a package deal. If Switzerland denies the EU citizens certain rights in Switzerland, it will lose certain rights in the EU. BTW, there are more than 500 000 Swiss citizens residing in the EU.
I don't believe these half million Swiss citizens residing in the EU have big things to fear. Many of them are pensioners living abroad because there is more sunshine, it's more spacious, less expensive, or for whatever reason. They are spending pensions from Switzerland in their countries of residence, without taking jobs from locals. These countries certainly won't rush to get them out
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Old February 15th, 2014, 11:59 PM   #2607
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Btw., is this new popular decision going to cause more scrutinous controls along borders?
Nothing will change if you're a tourist, even if the Schengen treaty will no longer apply to Switzerland, border checks should remain relatively hassle free, you're more than welcome to visit the country and spend as much CHF as you like!
What will effectively change is if you want to live/work there (unless you're a billionaire!). Yearly limits will apply on the amount of foreigners who can receive B, C and G permits, and anyone wanting to hire new workers will be required to prioritise Swiss citizens.
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Old February 17th, 2014, 11:30 PM   #2608
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Nothing will change if you're a tourist, even if the Schengen treaty will no longer apply to Switzerland, border checks should remain relatively hassle free, you're more than welcome to visit the country and spend as much CHF as you like!
What will effectively change is if you want to live/work there (unless you're a billionaire!). Yearly limits will apply on the amount of foreigners who can receive B, C and G permits, and anyone wanting to hire new workers will be required to prioritise Swiss citizens.
How many Swiss citizens would that be? I never heard of considerable unemployment in Switzerland.
On the other hand, if you want to immigrate, you need to have a job, otherwise you can't immigrate. If there are no more free jobs, there will be no more immigrants.
And if the tram is too full, just add another wagon, it's as easy as that.
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Old February 19th, 2014, 01:42 AM   #2609
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I think the Swiss would answer you that one Swiss citizen is one too many! True, Swiss unemployment is very low compared to most countries in the EU, but it goes without saying that they don't make such a comparison.
I'm not convinced it matters anyway, I don't believe the law as it's written today will ever be completely implemented, it's not like the Swiss unanimously agree, far from it.
Times have changed, the EU is already applying pressure on the Swiss government and I expect the Swiss people to rethink their position, in any case the Swiss government is going to have to go through a lot of mediation for something I'm not sure they really want to.
However one thing I don't believe is in any way affected by all this is paneuropean corridors going through Switzerland, neither side has any interest in blocking those.
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Old February 19th, 2014, 08:09 AM   #2610
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People living in cities (where most immigrants are likely wanting to go) voted mainly against the initiative. Some people voted for it because they see their government too much "euro-friendly", not because they hate other Europeans.

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On Monday the driver of a semitrailer truck decided to try out the Novena/Nufenen Pass, which is closed in winter and maybe always closed to semitrailers (although I have seen there a truck with trailer, those ~18 m long but with the articulation in the middle, once; I have also seen a semitrailer around Gletsch VS going to the Furka or Grimsel). The truck had to go backward to Airolo with the help of the police. That road had been closed for many days this month because of too much snow.

Truck drivers ignoring the geography and common sense appears from time to time, like the one that tried to go over the closed San Bernardino Pass with its semitrailer earlier this winter (which would have been forbidden also in summer).

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Old February 19th, 2014, 09:39 AM   #2611
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Are there signs on the road stating the pass road status?
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Old February 19th, 2014, 10:54 AM   #2612
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Yes. For example:

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A little cluttered. Does the white marking mean "open but beware of snow"?
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Old February 19th, 2014, 11:36 AM   #2614
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That's just an example (btw on a service area). Usually there is only one information: xyPass - closed/slippery/open

Not overcharged for a trucker, is it?
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Old February 22nd, 2014, 05:06 PM   #2615
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It will never be completed, if nobody works on it...
It's ridiculous at this point! The French speaking part of Valais completed the last portion of the A9 to the German speaking border nearly 20 years ago. Also, they opened all the motorway from Aigle to Sierre in an interval of 16 years (1980 to 1996). But, Oberwallis never finished the ~30 km section from Sierre to the Simplonpass highway, and they began construction nearly 30 years ago...just to delay it for another 10 years . Even worst, they narrowed the 3 lanes section of the Kantonsstrasse and created a full throughout Visp virtual "stop" sign, causing more delays on the existing road .
Oberwallisser should better go down the valley to finish the work instead of idly sitting waiting for tourist's money to come .

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Old February 26th, 2014, 08:54 PM   #2616
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However, the road news of today is that this months we should know more about an equivalent fund for roads (which could be submitted to voters in 2 to 3 years). It is still not known the future of the roads that were planned to be included in the national network with the vignette price increased (which has been refused).
Here it is (DE-FR-IT):

https://www.news.admin.ch/message/in...e&msg-id=52141

https://www.news.admin.ch/message/in...e&msg-id=52144

http://www.astra.admin.ch/themen/060...x.html?lang=de

I didn't read it yet, I will make a summary in the next days.
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A5 Tunnel de Serrières

The motorway tunnel is announced to be opened on 10th of March (source; project page; OSM; 1.73km).
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A waste of money according to some, as there is already a 2x2 road. However, that section is class 3, while the rest of A5 is class 2 (or Autostrasse).
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Old March 2nd, 2014, 08:45 PM   #2619
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I drove there in 2010. The current road is not that bad (given the traffic volumes), but is a bit substandard.

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