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Old June 5th, 2016, 06:35 PM   #3081
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I don't think that many new freeways are needed. But they should expand some of the existing ones, in particular parts of the A1 corridor.
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Old June 5th, 2016, 06:37 PM   #3082
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Meanwhile, a new crossing across Lac Léman at Geneva has been approved by 63%.
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Old June 5th, 2016, 06:46 PM   #3083
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I don't think that many new freeways are needed. But they should expand some of the existing ones, in particular parts of the A1 corridor.
New road tunnels are needed, such as one connecting A9 to Spiez (including highways links). A13 needs to be widened on the central section, including second San Bernardino tunnel. They also need to connect Schwyz and Altdorf, and also link A53 and A52 near Uster. There is also the link of A18 to Delemont and the link with A14 (Austria).
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Old June 6th, 2016, 12:26 AM   #3084
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Those whining for fuel taxes not being used for roads always forget that citizens and thus mororists (including themselves!) have other things to do and services to use in life. Only a part of fuel taxes is used for public transports in Switzerland (and likely less elsewhere), a lot is also sued for schools, health care and so on. Reducing road taxes by half because "50% goes elsewhere" would just mean that other taxes would be raised to compensate for this. Keeping existing taxes but giving all of them to roads would either mean having more roads but worse public services of other kinds, or just having to pay more taxes. Thus, if approved this referendum would either have been financially neutral for the average citizen, or meant an increase of other taxes. By the way, with the new road fund 60% instead of 50% of road taxes will go to road infrastructures.

I didn't read the text of the vote for the Léman crossing, however, I think it doesn't give a precise financing plan. In Switzerland, this means that there might still be decades before construction can begin.

As for Sub's whishes:

New road tunnels are needed, such as one connecting A9 to Spiez (including highways links).
==> this has been rejected decades ago, and nobody is asking for it, search for Rawil tunnel int his thread.
A13 needs to be widened on the central section, including second San Bernardino tunnel.
==> no way, too expensive and environmentally difficult as a whole new alignment with many tunnels would be needed, nobody asking for it.
They also need to connect Schwyz and Altdorf
==> it is planned building single tube 1+1 tunnels along the Axen, a cantonal referendum inS chwyz confirmed this today (I think this referendum formally opposed the cantonal financial contribution to the project, but as it is a federal project with a mainly federal funding, even if this referendum was won by opponents it would have delayed the project, but not canceled it).
and also link A53 and A52 near Uster. There is also the link of A18 to Delemont and the link with A14 (Austria).
==> no news about that, wait and see.

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Are there estimates how much truck traffic through the Gotthard will be reduced now that the base tunnel enters its operation phase? Could it also attract goods traffic from the Brenner corridor?
There are works going on on other sections of the Gotthard railway (not in the base tunnel itself), so for the next 5 years rail capacity will not increase (it will even decrease during some periods).

A double wagon carrying two semitrailers is around 34.2 m long, a locomotive is around 19 m long, and a 750 m long train might need two of them (750 m is maximum permitted in most Werstern Europe, quite often there is a shorter maximum length, but rarely longer trains are permitted). This gives around 21 double wagons, or 42 semitrailers (we can round this to 41 semitrailers, as not all wagons are of the double type). The Gotthard line will allow 260 freight trains a day, this equals theoretically to 41/260=10660 semitrailers a day or 3.890.900 a year. The Simplon-Lötschberg line adds 110 freight trains paths per day, or 41*110=4510 semitrailers (1.646.150 a year). This is only to give an idea of the rail capacity, considering wagons carrying semitrailers without their tractor units, in reality there are many trains carrying containers, swap bodies or goods in convenional (non intermodal) wagons.

As from 2017 the LSVA truck tax will increase, trucks might shift from the Gotthard to the Brenner. Freight trains on the Brenner are likely to remain there for some time, because as I said there are still works going on the Gotthard line which will hinder already existing traffic, and because it is still not able to carry 4m high semitrailers, but just those up to 3m84/3m90 (4m trailers will be carried from around 2020, when the works I cited will have been completed).

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Present-day truck volumes through the Gotthard road tunnel are exceptionally low for a major between between such large population centers. On other similar corridors truck volumes quickly reach 10,000 or even 15,000 per day, but the Gotthard route carries only 2,500 - 3,000 trucks per day.
They are still too many! Their effect (noise, pollution, etc) is not the same as on flat lands like in Northern Europe.
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Old June 6th, 2016, 04:41 PM   #3085
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Keep in mind though, that present-day Euro 6 truck engines (introduced in 2013) emit 97% less PM10 and 95% less NOx than the trucks at the time of the Alpen-Initiative in 1994. Of course the figures may be a little less favorable on mountain grades, it is still a huge improvement, more than the Gotthard Base Tunnel could ever achieve - at no cost to the Swiss taxpayers.
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Old June 6th, 2016, 04:47 PM   #3086
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Are we sure these are actual figures and not VW-like tricks?
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Old June 6th, 2016, 04:50 PM   #3087
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Truck engines have fewer problems meeting euro emission standards than passenger cars. Because they always operate under high load, whereas passenger cars can operate under light and heavy load, resulting in a wider range of emission.
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Old June 6th, 2016, 08:22 PM   #3088
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A1/A4 Zürich

Construction started on the expansion of A1/A4 along the northern side of Zürich. The Gubrist Tunnel will get a third tube. The project cost is 1.55 billion CHF and will be completed by 2025.

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Old June 6th, 2016, 08:47 PM   #3089
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Construction started on the expansion of A1/A4 along the northern side of Zürich. The Gubrist Tunnel will get a third tube.
There is a big need for such an additional tube with an AADT 115.000. Furthermore there is a traffic growth of 4% every year.
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Old June 9th, 2016, 08:52 AM   #3090
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They also need to connect Schwyz and Altdorf, and also link A53 and A52 near Uster.
This are currently still cantonal roads and wouldn't have got full founding from the federal government.
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Old June 10th, 2016, 06:57 AM   #3091
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Those whining for fuel taxes not being used for roads always forget that citizens and thus mororists (including themselves!) have other things to do and services to use in life. Only a part of fuel taxes is used for public transports in Switzerland (and likely less elsewhere), a lot is also sued for schools, health care and so on. Reducing road taxes by half because "50% goes elsewhere" would just mean that other taxes would be raised to compensate for this.
And that would be OK
The issue is the fuel taxes are "super" vs the general VAT, which in the absence of a clearly-defined reason (specifically to fund road expenditures which serve the consumers of the fuel) is not right
If they cut the fuel tax and raised VAT appropriate amounts to compensate, the average Swiss would pay the same money, but at least, it would be more fair (particularly to those who consume little fuel and those who consume a lot)
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Old June 10th, 2016, 12:00 PM   #3092
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Of course it's right because 71.8% of the people want it that way.
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Old June 10th, 2016, 08:34 PM   #3093
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71.8% for it does not imply it's "right" or "wrong", but it shows that the majority of voters wanted it that way, and that's just what democracy is about.

Luckily, the other close to 30% may also express their opinion :-)
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Old June 27th, 2016, 11:39 PM   #3094
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In 2004 rocks fell from the Lopper onto the road. A temporary floating bridge has been built for local traffic (minute 2:10): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hIBv32MrTQ

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Old June 28th, 2016, 04:06 AM   #3095
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Is it a hassle dealing with the Swiss-French border?

I mean:
Landing at Geneva Airport->Picking your rental car in France (via Peugeot Open Europe)->heading back to Geneva, Switzerland
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Old June 28th, 2016, 05:23 PM   #3096
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I guess the only problem is that you will caught up in a jam due to commuter traffic, depending on the time you want to cross the border.
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Old June 29th, 2016, 08:39 PM   #3097
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No particular hassle, but if you rent in France you probably won't have a Swiss highway vignette. Only an issue if you want to go further than Geneva.
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Old June 30th, 2016, 05:46 PM   #3098
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Küblis bypass on the A28 has been opeend today. It includes a 2.2 km tunnel. Village bypasses on that road started being built in 1967, and now works have been finished, each village has its bypass. A28 is a sort of Autostrasse, with some flat jucntions.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalstrasse_28
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umfahrung_K%C3%BCblis
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/46.9166/9.7750
http://www.swissinfo.ch/ita/gr---lib...eblis/42264094
https://books.google.ch/books?id=RHd...tunnel&f=false
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Old July 16th, 2016, 09:40 AM   #3099
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1 a.m. traffic at the Gotthard: over 1 hour delay.

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Old July 16th, 2016, 12:15 PM   #3100
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Still 40 minutes slower than the pass...although at night some might not like it. 2h15 queue like now...there are still people who don't think before driving.

Some passes where closed a few days ago for a short period of time (one night?) because of snowalls.
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