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Old July 18th, 2009, 11:08 AM   #601
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A2 Luzern Richtung Gotthard
Zwischen Verzweigung Altdorf und Göschenen 20 km Stau, Verkehrsüberlastung, Zeitverlust bis zu 5 Stunden
Time to set up a football court on the shoulder!
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Old July 18th, 2009, 01:33 PM   #602
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Wow I have never seen this:

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A2 Luzern Richtung Gotthard
Zwischen Beckenried und Göschenen 24 km Stau, Verkehrsüberlastung, Zeitverlust bis zu 6 Stunden
6 hours waiting at the Gotthard? I thought 4 hours was usually the longest during summer?

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Old July 18th, 2009, 07:52 PM   #603
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6 hours waiting at the Gotthard? I thought 4 hours was usually the longest during summer?
NOW, how much time, FUEL and related emissions could be saved if they would drill a parallel tube for this tunnel???









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Old July 18th, 2009, 09:09 PM   #604
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NOW, how much time, FUEL and related emissions could be saved if they would drill a parallel tube for this tunnel???
The ironic thing is that AFAIK it's precisely greenies that block its construction and allow this total waste of resources.
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Old July 18th, 2009, 10:01 PM   #605
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NOW, how much time, FUEL and related emissions could be saved if they would drill a parallel tube for this tunnel???
You could save even more when all these people spent their vacation somewhere close to their home.
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Old July 18th, 2009, 10:15 PM   #606
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Or drive on another day... They all know this, because it happens every year, yet everybody is going to wait for the tunnel collectively. Just don't travel through the Alps on fridays and saturdays.

spending vacation closer to home is not always an option, weatherwise. So far, the Dutch summer was very rainy, so I can understand people rather spend it in Italy or France where the weather is more predictable and chances for good weather are far better.
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Old July 19th, 2009, 08:16 PM   #607
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Actually, being in the jam is way more fuel eficient than driving at 120km/h (as you can put off your engine, and if you leave it on (for whatever reason), your not standing on the gas throttle...).

Everybody knows the jam risk on the main transit routes, but you can't avoid it if you want to have a whole week of holidays... only option is to pass the bottlenecks early in the morning.
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Old July 19th, 2009, 08:30 PM   #608
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It's not fuel efficient with the "shock wave" through the traffic jam... Stop, drive for 100 meters uphill, and stop again. Then turn of the engine, and restart it after a few minutes to drive another 100 meters uphill. That's far from fuel efficient.

Two friends of mine monitored their fuel consumption during a 2 hour queue at the south portal (also uphill). 8 liters of gasoline for 3 kilometers. I don't call that fuel efficient. Me, I try to avoid these situations, I'd never drive on a friday or saturday from half july to half august through Europe. The result: no traffic jams on my routes, except if an accident happens, but that can happen anytime anywhere.
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Old July 19th, 2009, 10:05 PM   #609
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Old July 19th, 2009, 11:39 PM   #610
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We should appreciate thun's sense of humour.
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Old July 24th, 2009, 10:38 PM   #611
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It means Up yours, Swiss police!

Weird, here speed cameras are thought(well, should be) to be a prevention and the list of them is on the offcial road autohority webpage.
It is the same in UK, every speed camera (even temporary speed check by white police van) has to be clearly marked. You can buy road atlases with speed cameras marked.
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Old July 24th, 2009, 10:51 PM   #612
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Yep
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Old July 29th, 2009, 10:16 PM   #613
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A6 Spiez - Bern - Biel/Bienne

Time for another string of pictures. This one follows A6 northwest, from Wimmis on Lake Thun via the capital of Bern to the bilingual city of Biel/Bienne. I was driving to A16, I was quite dissapointed about the time it took to get from A6 to A16 through Biel/Bienne, even with low traffic levels. Not really a fast route.

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2. distances.
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3. Thun-Süd.
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4. Some cut&cover art.
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5. Thun-Nord.
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7. Kiesen.
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9. km17
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10. Time for some diesel.
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11. Rubigen.
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13. Tourist sign.
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14. Muri bei Bern.
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16. skyline of Bern.
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17. falling-asleep speed limit
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20. If this isn't an urban autobahn then what is?
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21. Interchange Wankdorf.
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22. Although A6 runs to Biel/Bienne, it's certainly not considered one main route in this area.
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24. Texas style interchange
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26. Interchange Schönbühl.
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27. A1 and A6 ran concurrent for a short distance here.
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28. Schönbühl.
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29. I wonder if they are gonna sign something like Porrentruy or Delémont here in the future.
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32. Jura mountains in the distance.
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33. Lyss-Süd.
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34. End of 2x2.
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36. Nice exit.
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37. Entering the city.
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38. No sign of signs for through traffic to A16
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39. Welcome to Nidau.
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41. Dutch import.
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Old July 29th, 2009, 10:49 PM   #614
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I can't see the pics.
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Old July 29th, 2009, 10:52 PM   #615
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Time for another string of pictures. This one follows A6 northwest, from Wimmis on Lake Thun via the capital of Bern to the bilingual city of Biel/Bienne. I was driving to A16, I was quite dissapointed about the time it took to get from A6 to A16 through Biel/Bienne, even with low traffic levels. Not really a fast route.
A highway is under construction or planned to connect A5, A6 and A16: http://www.a5-biel-bienne.ch/

The red part is under construction, the green one planned.
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Ok, I can see the pics now. Nice, A6 is my favorite Swiss motorway.

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11. Rubigen.
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I was up there. The best view of the Bernese Alps!

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My most-trafficed interchange.
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Old August 2nd, 2009, 07:10 PM   #617
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A14 Cham - Luzern

The A14 is not very long, it's a connecting Autobahn between A4 and A2, to ensure fast travel from the Zürich region to Luzern and further south. The A4 still has a gap between Zürich and Cham, but this is under construction. I doubt if the Schwyz - Altdorf part of A4 will ever be build, so southbound traffic will have to use A14 for a while.

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Old August 4th, 2009, 12:23 AM   #618
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A14 Cham - Luzern

The A14 is not very long, it's a connecting Autobahn between A4 and A2, to ensure fast travel from the Zürich region to Luzern and further south. The A4 still has a gap between Zürich and Cham, but this is under construction. I doubt if the Schwyz - Altdorf part of A4 will ever be build, so southbound traffic will have to use A14 for a while.
The Schwyz - Altdorf part is planned as semi-motorway with one lane per direction, with opening planned in 2020 or later. It will have two major tunnels, 4,5 and 2,5 km long (in addition to the existing 2,7 km Flüelen tunnel, plus others). There is a cliff about 10 km long so both road and railway are mainly in tunnel.
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I found this, but only in Italian: http://www.tunnelbuilder.it/archive.php

The Sisikon Tunnel (4,4 km) will be bulit between 2011 and 2017, the Morschach Tunnel (2,8 km) between 2018 and 2025. They will cost 743 millions CHF + 215 millions for upgrades on existing road (about 630 millions EUR).

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Svizzera - Approvato il progetto generale per la nuova Axenstrasse nei Cantoni Uri e Svitto
Dal 2025 la Svizzera centrale dovrebbe disporre di un collegamento tra Zurigo e la Svizzera meridionale più sicuro ed efficiente lungo la sponda urana del Lago dei Quattro Cantoni. Il 28 Gennaio 2009 il Consiglio federale ha infatti approvato il progetto generale della nuova Axenstrasse, le cui opere principali saranno la galleria di Sisikon (4,4 km) tra Ort e Gumpisch nel canton URI che sarà costruita tra il 2011 e il 2017 e quella di Morschach (2,8 km) tra Ingenbohl e Ort nel canton Svitto che sarà realizzata tra il 2018 e il 2025. La costruzione delle due gallerie comporterà una spesa di 743 milioni di Franchi Svizzeri, a cui si aggiungeranno 215 milioni destinati ai lavori di sistemazione sulla strada esistente.
La prossima fase consisterà nell'elaborazione e nella pubblicazione del progetto definitivo. Una volta conclusa la procedura di approvazione dei piani, incluso il trattamento definitivo delle eventuali opposizioni, il DATEC potrà autorizzare il progetto esecutivo. I dettagli tecnici saranno infine regolati nel progetto di dettaglio prima dell'aggiudicazione dei lavori di costruzione. 07/09
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Old August 11th, 2009, 07:08 PM   #620
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Better than never. It's interesting how the Swiss set such far-away dates, but then they actually follow them.
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