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Old August 11th, 2009, 07:30 PM   #621
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They probably reserve these funds in advance.
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Old August 11th, 2009, 11:58 PM   #622
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The Flüelen Tunnel (2,8 km) is the straight road in yellow. It will be followed by the Sisikon Tunnel (built first to free Sisikon village from traffic) then by Morschach Tunnel. They will have "only" one lane per direction and there will still be a lot of curves, but a "real" motorways would have required 2x12 km tunnels, and the traffic don't justify it (transit traffic from France and Germany uses mainly the A2 from Basel, and there is still the option of the A14).
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Old August 14th, 2009, 07:20 PM   #623
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Tunnel upgrade plan

Finnish firm Pöyry is now starting work on the design services contract for the upgrade of the Seelisberg tunnel in Switzerland. The deal was awarded by the Swiss Federal Roads Office. The 9.2km long Seelisberg tunnel is located near Lucerne and this is the longest twin tube motorway tunnel in Switzerland. The objective of the rehabilitation is to guarantee continuous operation of the tunnel for another 15-20 years.

Pöyry's contract is worth nearly €5 million and includes an option for site supervision during the execution phase. Pöyry is the leader of a consortium with two other partners. The design phase will last from 2009 until 2014, and the upgrade work is planned to take place between 2014 and 2018. New regulations regarding tunnel safety were introduced in Europe following a number of disastrous fatal fires in Austria and Switzerland. As a result, all Europe’s road tunnels are now having to be upgraded with improvements such as new fire suppression and warning technology as well as the installation of escape routes for users.
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In my opinion, the Seelisberg tunnel is a very pleasant tunnel to drive through. Wide, 2x2 lanes and not as dirty and claustrophobic like the Gotthard tunnel.
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Old August 15th, 2009, 03:58 PM   #624
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However maybe it is not so pleasant, when something dangerous happens. Just good lightning and clean surface does not necessarily make a safe tunnel.
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Old August 15th, 2009, 11:26 PM   #625
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It at least make you feel safer. The difference between the Austrian and the Slovene side of the Karawankentunnel is quite big. The Austrian half is quite light and feels much safer.
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Old August 16th, 2009, 12:14 AM   #626
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True, I know that about Karawankentunnel (and I'm also not satisfied with situation).

But there is some difference between "feeling safe" and "actually safe". That's why much more additional equipment is needed in tunnels beside good lightning: various detectors (smoke, fog), CCTVs, hydrants, fire extinguish systems, LED signalization, wall and floor markings for escape, semaphores, communication systems, speakers, powerful ventilation, barriers, escape ways and nichés etc. Seems that Seelisberg tunnel does not have all this in most modern state so upgrade is probably needed, especially because it is one of the longest motorway tunnels in Europe.Still in 2007 tunnel test it was recognised as very safe by European autoclubs.
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Old August 16th, 2009, 12:32 AM   #627
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I have seen an excess in other direction: one tunnel of the French A51 has barriers before the portals (to prevent vehicles entering the tunnel), some panels indicating safety rules before it, and other things...all of these for a 450 m tunnel.
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Old August 16th, 2009, 01:01 AM   #628
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I first noticed barriers by some new Slovenian tunnels, which are even shorter. But people don't stop by red traffic lights on motorways/expressways, so it's the only way.
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Old August 20th, 2009, 03:55 PM   #629
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Well, since 3 days "Google Streetview" is aviable in Switzerland.
Also many highways are on now.

Check it out ;-)

http://maps.google.ch/maps?source=em...,0.016512&z=17
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Old August 20th, 2009, 04:02 PM   #630
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I'd rather wish they improve some of the imagery, some of it is 12 years old!
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Old August 20th, 2009, 10:15 PM   #631
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I know

But they turned off to Grindelwald instead of Lauterbrunnen I love that region, have been there 3 times.
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Old August 20th, 2009, 10:18 PM   #632
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Quote:
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I'd rather wish they improve some of the imagery, some of it is 12 years old!
Well, But the Streetview Images are from March-July 2009 :-)
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Old August 20th, 2009, 10:19 PM   #633
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I know

But they turned off to Grindelwald instead of Lauterbrunnen I love that region, have been there 3 times.
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Old August 20th, 2009, 11:01 PM   #634
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I wish the trains to Murren and Jungfraujoch were also equipped with some "rail" view cams.
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Old August 23rd, 2009, 03:50 PM   #635
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Hello.

Im wondering what is that since some years now. It isnt a speedcam or?
Do they count the traffic? And theyre often before the tunnels on the A1.
Streetview: http://maps.google.ch/maps?f=q&sourc...81.23,,1,-1.11
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Old August 23rd, 2009, 04:04 PM   #636
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Some Highway Speedcams from Google Streetview:

Do You see the white line at the street? When you are to fast then it flash you at this line.
http://maps.google.com/maps?t=h&hl=d...,62.91,,1,1.94

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Again 3 lanes speedcam. You see 3 white lines at the road. Almost "invisible cam"
http://maps.google.com/maps?t=h&hl=d...257.67,,1,5.98

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Again white lines. Good visable at day...
http://maps.google.com/maps?source=e...wNgfgBmY9r2Sag

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The new generation, most used here in Switzerland. No white lines.
http://maps.google.com/maps?source=e...nZ_2lUVQWJKAsw

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Looks like fake, but it works. I saw flashing...
http://maps.google.com/maps?source=e...Gw1lDZMiYMVHDg

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A old one, but it works.
http://maps.google.com/maps?source=e...0eoBwhJxT2Ki2A

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Allready seen this type above.
http://maps.google.com/maps?source=e...t5hS28VzHZu8bA

http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/25dj1ev8/cam8.jpg
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Before a Tunnel. 100kmh max.
http://maps.google.com/maps?source=e...9Amv-iLU4rgS6Q

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100kmh max.
http://maps.google.com/maps?source=e...bCbtPlsxYHvUvA

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100kmh max.
http://maps.google.com/maps?source=e...N2UZFz75zpRaQA


If you will see more cams, just tell me!
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Old August 23rd, 2009, 04:21 PM   #637
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Could it be that the lines in the second picture, on the side of the road, are for measuring following distances?

How much over the limit can you get away with, before you get your picture taken?
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Old August 25th, 2009, 04:54 PM   #638
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I found a good PDF from 2008:
http://www.astra.admin.ch/dokumentat..._JjKbNoKSn6A--


Green= Allready in use
Red= Under construction Year of open.

End of 2007 there was 1763,6 Kilometer Highways in use.
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Old August 25th, 2009, 05:06 PM   #639
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Not all of that are motorways though, such as A28, parts of A4, A8 and A9. Those are more like express roads with one lane per direction.
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Old August 26th, 2009, 11:12 AM   #640
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I wonder what the two numbers separated by a slash mean.

And when will they finally remove the "y" (Zürich) from the network?
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