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Old August 29th, 2009, 12:30 AM   #681
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Old August 29th, 2009, 12:32 AM   #682
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This is the main problem in transportation planning.
The main problem is that some people think that if they will build something it will automatically create a demand for it.
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Old August 29th, 2009, 12:38 AM   #683
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Usually for motorways, urban roads and urban public transport it is true. I don't think it is the case of the A2 however (at least of private cars).
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Old August 29th, 2009, 01:04 PM   #684
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That's also a problem with HSR. They've built a new HSR line from Amsterdam to Rotterdam to the Belgian border, but I don't think that people are willing to pay 70% more to reach their destination 25 minutes earlier. It's just that the government wants to "go with the flow" and spend an enormous amount of money on HSR.
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Old August 29th, 2009, 06:16 PM   #685
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The problem with ticket prices is real. Just look at Eurostar, that has only one third of the passengers predicted before the opening of the Tunnel. I was in Paris last year...I wanted to visit London, but when I saw the prices...540 € return, no thank you.
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Old August 29th, 2009, 07:17 PM   #686
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Well, the Channel Tunnel wasn't exactly cheap to built.

And if you want to travel by rail in Europe, it's cheaper to wait for some good offer than to just buy tickets. Or buy them like 6 months in advance. I sometimes see offers of € 90 return trip to London or Paris. Berlin is often even cheaper. That's because they need to do some competition to the low cost airlines.
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Old August 29th, 2009, 07:27 PM   #687
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Well, the Channel Tunnel wasn't exactly cheap to built.

And if you want to travel by rail in Europe, it's cheaper to wait for some good offer than to just buy tickets. Or buy them like 6 months in advance. I sometimes see offers of € 90 return trip to London or Paris. Berlin is often even cheaper. That's because they need to do some competition to the low cost airlines.
If I book months in advance I can often get better or at least similar deals with one of the cheapo airlines. The flexibility and not having to book way in advance is what would make me choose trains over flying.

I've actually considered making a long distance train trip in Europe, but at those prices, why on earth would I sit in a train for 10h when a plane gets me there in a tiny fraction of the time for the same price or even less. In the end,I always ended up driving.
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Old August 29th, 2009, 07:53 PM   #688
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Switzerland have very good network of motorways like for such small country
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Old August 29th, 2009, 07:57 PM   #689
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I think railway travel would be good for traveling around a country you visit or live and use airplane to fly to different countries unless they close to each other.
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The problem with ticket prices is real. Just look at Eurostar, that has only one third of the passengers predicted before the opening of the Tunnel. I was in Paris last year...I wanted to visit London, but when I saw the prices...540 € return, no thank you.
Abcoude-London return ticket was €99 for me, booked 2 months in advance
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That's not that bad...

And it's tru too, Switzerland have very good public transport
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Old August 29th, 2009, 09:19 PM   #692
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Thanks to tourism... I don't think the Lauterbrunnen valley would have a 30 minute frequency bus service to the village of Stechelberg if it wasn't for all the tourists...
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Abcoude-London return ticket was €99 for me, booked 2 months in advance
Why should I buy a ticket two months in advance, knowing that I will have problems to change it or to have back money if I can't travel this day?

In Switzerland I find quite easily daily tickets for 25 to 35 € valid until the end of of the day on all public transport vehicles, without stupid reservation two months in advance. With them one can go nearly everywhere without a car.

If Stechelberg had not tourist it wouldn't have a frequent bus service, that's obvious: the target of public transport is not to link every single farm with a bus every 30 minutes. Small villages like Stechelberg if not in touristic areas have usually a bus every 2 to 4 hours. Not much, but if you don't have a car for whatever reason, you can reach them.
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Old August 29th, 2009, 11:09 PM   #694
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Map of AADT on all route in the Valais/Wallis canton: http://www.vs.ch/Navig/navig.asp?MenuID=2425 (see "charges de trafic")

A9: http://www.a9-vs.ch/

Yet another graphic about the A2 and A13: http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/8812/150h.jpg
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Old August 30th, 2009, 12:04 AM   #695
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H18 Basel

I had some leftovers from my june trip to Switzerland. This is the part of H18 which is an expressway, along the east side of Basel.

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Old August 30th, 2009, 03:35 PM   #696
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I'm trying to write an index of this thread...here what o have found until bage 17:

Rapperswil - St. Gallen http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...4&postcount=38 (pmaciej7)
Around Basel http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...3&postcount=48 (pmaceiej7)
Zürich bypass http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...1&postcount=56
Zürich bypass http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=337
Simplon Pass http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...5&postcount=57 (ChrisZwolle)
Simplon Shuttle http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...1&postcount=61
Bernina Pass http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...0&postcount=65
28% slope http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=137
Video around Grindelwald http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=295

A1 Zürich-Lausanne http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=219 (nils16)
A2 drawing and photos http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=227
A3 in Winter http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=281 (nils16)
A3 Sargans-Zürich http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=330
A9 http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=302
A53 http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=321 (nils16)

Italian SS33 http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=278 (southern access to the Simplon)

Some pictures
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=150 (nils16)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=197 (nils16)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=216 (nils16)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=318 (nils16)

Some videos
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=165 (nils16)
A2 http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=224 (nils16)

Projects around Zürich http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=250

Geotag http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=287
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 01:01 AM   #698
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Some pictures of the A2, from outside it, this time.

The A2 viaduct and the two spiral tunnels of the railway south of Faido.



Southern portal of the Piumogna tunnel (1,6 km, the logest on the ramps, originally this stretch was planned in viaducts but local residents demanded a tunnel for noise reduction). There is an alternance of tunnels (a total of 3,3 km) and viaducts (1,6 km) on this part (third photo).







After the fourth motorway tunnel (and another two spiral tunnels for the railway) the railway crosses the A2.



1,8 km after this point the two Gotthard Tunnels begin. No queue today (tuesday, about 18h30).



Airolo and the Pass' road.



One of the two loading ramps for shuttle trains. The other is 50 m on the left. They can't handle two trains at the same time (like the Lötschberg), probably one is used for loading and the other for unloading cars.

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Old September 6th, 2009, 11:17 AM   #699
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Hello

I made 2 Videos with some Parts of the A1.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l04R9zt4EIM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bVwYpb7cxQ

Please vote the Videos :-)
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Old September 6th, 2009, 12:30 PM   #700
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I like the above photos of A2 notorway, in bridges section, very nice btw, which bridge in Switzerland is heighest in meters?
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