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Old November 2nd, 2010, 06:20 PM   #1021
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Mental note: drive this road to La Chaux-de-Fonds next time I am in Switzerland.
It was my first time to Swiss Jura (except A2 and A3 through mountains) and it was highly positive experience. Lots of beautiful roads, very varied landscapes, great places for hiking and very very few tourists.
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 06:33 PM   #1022
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I think the Jura Mountains are highly underrated. Most people of course want to see the giant snow-capped mountains and glaciers, but the Jura itself would be pretty scenic in any other country.
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 07:19 PM   #1023
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You have any link for these news? Are they planning to make it a toll road with vignette also?
The roads transfered from the cantonals to the central government are:

- H21, Martigny - Grand-St-Bernard (maybe it will be partly classified "A21")
- H15, Schaffhouse - Thayngen
- H6, Berne/Schönbühl - Bienne (maybe it will be classified "A6")
- H20, Neuchâtel - Le Locle - Col des Roches (maybe it will be classified "A20")
- H223, Spiez - Kandersteg (Lötschberg tunnel northern ramp)
- H509, Goppenstein - Gampel (Lötschberg tunnel southern ramp)
- H338, (Hirzel) Baar - Wädenswil
- H394, Mendrisio - Stabio / Gaggiolo
- H406, H13, Bellinzone - Locarno (maybe it will be classified "A13")
- H13, Kreuzlingen - Meggenhus
- semi-autoroute cantonale A53, Brüttisellen - Wetzikon - Rüti
- semi-autoroute cantonale A53, Rüti ZH - Reichenburg
- H8, St-Gall - Winkeln - Appenzell
- H18, Delémont Est - Hagnau (maybe it will be classified "A" near Basel)
- H17, Niederurnen - Glaris
- H2, Pratteln - Liestal
- H5, Aarau - Aarau-Est
- H417, H3, Thusis - Silvaplana
- H10, Thielle - Morat (maybe it will be partly classified "A")

"A" roads will certainly be tolled. But I have no recent news about these changes.

More infos on this french forum and documents linked there: http://forum.sara-infras.com/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=5447
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 07:25 PM   #1024
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Switzerland should re-organize their road numbering system. Few roads have numbers nowadays, especially if they're not motorways. Non-motorway numbers are almost never signposted. Basically any valley road could get a 3-digit road number. More important routes could get 1 and 2-digit road numbers.
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 07:47 PM   #1025
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I totally agree. If possible with a logical system, if not at least they should simply signpost today's administrative numbers (they don't have any logic, non-national roads have simply received a number starting from around 100 when the authorities decided to number them, so numbers in a specified area are roughly around the same group, ie Canton Ticino has numbers more or less between 380 and 410). These numbers are sometimes shown on OpenStreetMap, otherwise they are completely unknown to the public.
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 10:24 PM   #1026
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Small stretch of motorway on road 20 between Le Locle and La-Chaux-de-Fonds.

It's not a motorway yet.
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Exit to Le Cret-de-Locle
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Beginning of motorway. The motorway is only about 1,2 km long.
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End of the motorway
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Old November 3rd, 2010, 01:26 AM   #1027
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How old is that "motorway" (would be better called expressway)?

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I think the Jura Mountains are highly underrated. Most people of course want to see the giant snow-capped mountains and glaciers, but the Jura itself would be pretty scenic in any other country.
Jura is beautiful, but underdeveloped (for Swiss standards at least). That's why most people don't like it so much.
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Old November 3rd, 2010, 01:07 PM   #1028
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How old is that "motorway" (would be better called expressway)?

Jura is beautiful, but underdeveloped (for Swiss standards at least). That's why most people don't like it so much.
It was opened at the end of year 2007. At most of the maps it's showed like a expressway so it was a surprise to find a motorway sign on this road.
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Old November 3rd, 2010, 01:25 PM   #1029
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A16 from Biel/Bienne to Sonceboz.
It's part of motorway partly under construction to Delemont and onto Belfort in France.

Beginning of road near Biel/Bienne
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It starts to climb to Jura mountains.
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Road is using Taubenloch Gorges to cross the first range of mountains. First part of motorway is ending just where the slip road is joining the main road.
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The part of road through Taubenloch Gorges is not a motorway or even a expressway but ordinary divided road as it's used by all the local traffic and bicycles also.
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North bound traffic is using road following gorges. It's built more or less on the same place where have been roads from Roman times until today. South bound traffic is using new parallel road which is shorter thanks to many tunnels.
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Old November 3rd, 2010, 01:37 PM   #1030
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There is huge cement factory of Vigier in Reuchenette.
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Beginning of expressway
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Old November 3rd, 2010, 01:42 PM   #1031
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End of expressway and beginning of motorway.
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Exit of Sonceboz.
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Old November 3rd, 2010, 07:02 PM   #1032
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That's undoubtedly one of the most interesting roads in CH. Thanks for the pix. Are there plans to ever declare that 4-lane road a motorway/expressway?
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Old November 4th, 2010, 11:51 AM   #1033
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That's undoubtedly one of the most interesting roads in CH. Thanks for the pix. Are there plans to ever declare that 4-lane road a motorway/expressway?
I doubt it. This would mean that they have to build a new road for local traffic and bicycles and it wouldn't be the cheapest thing.
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Old November 4th, 2010, 02:41 PM   #1034
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And now A16 back from Sonceboz to Biel/Bienne
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End of motorway. Start of ordinary divided road.
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Old November 4th, 2010, 02:55 PM   #1035
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Beginning of motorway. All the local traffic and bicycles have to turn right.
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We have crossed Jura mountains.
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Junction of A16 and A5. The exit to the right would go to future A16 bypassing Biel/Bienne through tunnels.
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It's one of the ring road motorway junctions in Switzerland. The construction site in front of us is beginning of future tunnel bypassing Biel/Bienne as A16. When it's completed you can continue from here directly to Bern.
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From the junction you can currently drive only to A5 and then take a exit to Biel/Bienne and continue to Neuchatel or Bern.
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Road to mountain of Chasseral in Jura. With 1607 meters it has the 3-4th place among mountains of Swiss Jura. It's one lane road with frequent places to pass the ongoing traffic. It's opened for every kind of vehicles. The only limit is weight limit of 26 t. It was a private toll road but it was purchased by canton of Bern some years ago and now it's free to use for everyone.

Up from the north
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Down to the south
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Old November 5th, 2010, 05:41 PM   #1037
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The Gotthard Pass has been closed today. Furka, Susten and Klausen passes have already been closed in october.
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Old November 5th, 2010, 08:22 PM   #1038
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There's also a road to Mont Tendre (the highest mountain in Swiss Jura at 1,679 m). There were two hikers at the top when I was there. They were quite shocked to see a Slovenian plate up there.
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Old November 8th, 2010, 12:40 PM   #1039
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Some roads from Swiss Jura.

One of the small roads coming down steeply to Lake Biel
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Road 10 with view to Creux du Van
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Morning fog or just one of the low clouds on road 10 at Val de Travers
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Some more from road 10

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Road 30 at the valley of St-Imier
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Road near Le Locle
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