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Old December 18th, 2010, 11:11 PM   #1101
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That's just crazy! They should build a second tube, and end of story.
For a short new, flat 1x2 road without major work discussions are going on since ages, just imagine how long a 17 km tunnel would take to build.

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Maybe they will change opinion about this European-most-stupid transportation law in first place (the one forbidding "capacity increasing").
I doubt this will happen before having reached the 650.000 trucks objective.
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Old December 19th, 2010, 12:06 AM   #1102
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That's just crazy! They should build a second tube, and end of story.
The Swiss likes to pwn the rest of Europe by acting like übernimby's.
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Old December 19th, 2010, 12:14 AM   #1103
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only against roads

(often, also for internal traffic, but not always)
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Old December 19th, 2010, 01:43 AM   #1104
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Following the french version, there is really no margin to doubt about it:

i.e. building new roads which would attract existing traffic from the four defined transalpine routes is considered an increase in capacity, and so is considered the addition of more lanes to existing roads. A new tunnel would fall under the latter definition so it's clearly forbidden to build it. But renovation works are clearly allowed:
I really don't get the politicians and people who put such a rule in place. The population of Switzerland has grown with 20% in the last 30-35 years. This means your infrastructure has to expand or adapt as well to cope with the increased demand for capacity on the road and in the public transport and the increased mobility.

However this policy seems completely aimed at discouraging transit traffic to use the Swiss roads. But in the next few years / decades the growing Swiss population alone is enough to congest the roads and the Alpine passes/tunnels.
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Old December 19th, 2010, 04:05 AM   #1105
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I really don't get the politicians and people who put such a rule in place. The population of Switzerland has grown with 20% in the last 30-35 years. This means your infrastructure has to expand or adapt as well to cope with the increased demand for capacity on the road and in the public transport and the increased mobility.

However this policy seems completely aimed at discouraging transit traffic to use the Swiss roads. But in the next few years / decades the growing Swiss population alone is enough to congest the roads and the Alpine passes/tunnels.
It's not politicians. This measure was introduced after it was approved by referendum.

Anyway, yes, you are right, infrastructure has to expand or adapt. But who says the increased need for mobility has to come from the same mode of transport? After all, nobody's banned the construction of other infrastructures but roads, in other words, it is aknowledged that more infrastructure is needed but it is being provided by rail instead of by expanding roads, and it should work both for domestic traffic and for international traffic.

I don't think having an ever-expanding road is the best solution. It might seem less comfortable for trucks to get on a train than drive by themselves all the way through the country, but I'm sure truck drivers will end up getting use to it and the result is much better for traffic safety and for the environment. It's almost a take it or leave it approach, but after all it's the Swiss who are paying for the GBT without anybody's help so I don't think it's very hard to understand that the country should have the right to establish its own rules, and if the people has voted for it then domestic traffic should be the last problem on the list.

Although I'm realizing this discussion is being repeated over and over again in this section of the forum
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Old December 19th, 2010, 01:01 PM   #1106
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Number of broken vehicles and accidents in the tunnel:



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Old December 20th, 2010, 06:12 PM   #1107
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Here's another modality to get down the Grimsel Pass:

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Old December 25th, 2010, 01:21 PM   #1108
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Furka shuttle, 18 April 2010.






Eyholz tunnel portal, A9 Brig-Simplon side, on the same day (the small left bore is for the ventilation equipment).

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Old December 25th, 2010, 05:36 PM   #1109
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Some pictures of the Lucomagno-Lukmanier road: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lukmanier_Pass
Lukmaneir Pass closed until further notice because of snow.
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Old December 25th, 2010, 10:42 PM   #1110
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And a video of this particular route:

From the railway forum.
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Old December 29th, 2010, 12:05 AM   #1111
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The Gotthard Rail Tunnel and the national road 2 above it. The train and the green light of the signal are the only colours different from white, grey and light blue.



Again the railway and the N2.



First and second bridge of the N2, as seen from the railway bridge.



The Urnerloch, one of the first Swiss road tunnels. It was built as a replacement of the path running above the gorges of the Reuss river from October 1707 to August 1708. It is long 64 metres and it was originally 2.4 m wide and 2.7 m high.



All photos taken the 27th December 2010.
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Old December 29th, 2010, 01:13 AM   #1112
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From the railway forum.
I'm curious to know how the cyclists were accommodated on the shuttle train. Did they go with the motorcyclists on the same wagon, or was a sweprate wagon provided?
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Old December 29th, 2010, 01:35 AM   #1113
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They travel in the passenger coach together with motorcyclists. Bicycles are also allowed also on regular passenger trains (I don't know the exact rules, but often these trains run with a low floor coach with hooks for bikes).

Both services run hourly, except the car shuttle which is half-ourly from Friday utnil Monday.

Small trucks and buses can also be carried (maximum 3 m high and 2.5 m wide).
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Old January 2nd, 2011, 04:27 PM   #1114
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Old January 4th, 2011, 11:46 AM   #1115
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Simplon road (between Gondo and Iselle) closed because of a landfall, train shuttle service may have been increased.
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The road still closed, only the train shuttle is available.

It is not known how long the road will remain closed. The landslide is between the Gondo (CH, VS) and Iselle (IT, VB), but I don't know of it is in Italy or Switzerland. Train shuttles have been increased from 12 to 23 (one every 30 minutes), offering a capacity of 1.000 small vehicles per day (trucks are not allowed because too high for the railway wagons used).

The shuttle is 30 minutes faster than the road, obviously excluding waiting time. There is a shuttle every 90 minutes, in the future service may be increased to a train every 60 minutes. Its traffic is 140.000 cars per year on average.

A small photo: http://www.cdt.ch/confederazione/cro...nterrotta.html
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Crossing the Simplon from Brig to Iselle by road can be done in 25 - 30 minutes. The problem is the interval on the shuttle train is too big, which means the road is nearly always faster, unless you arrive in Brig 10 minutes before the train departs. Besides that, the Simplon is easy to drive, even HGV's can cross it.
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The rail tunnel will be partly closed for renovation in 2012-2013, the service could be increased only later. But it is still planned.
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The Simplon road has been reopened today at midday. The landslide was in Italy.
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Old January 9th, 2011, 03:18 PM   #1120
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I would like to drive through the Switzerland this summer while I will drive to Spain. I want to visit Davos, Andermatt, Sion, Martigny. What can you say about difficulty of the road 27, 28, 19, 9? What is the technical condition of these roads?
And second question: has someone know any cheap place for rest in the night near Martigny?
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