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Old November 26th, 2011, 04:12 PM   #1481
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With proper investments, and some further widening on the Italian side, a huge Y Basel/Brengez (Chur) - Italy could be devised, taking not 650.000, but easily 2.000.000/trucks year.
that's horrible! could you imagine so many trucks and pollution concentrated on the alpine valleys? The country is already spending a lot of resources in building the GBT, so no option for trucks, goods need to be carried by clean trains, or else it's as easy as taking another route. The EU agreed to this, so that's it.
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Old November 26th, 2011, 04:19 PM   #1482
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2 million trucks per year is nothing. You can find that on regular main roads even.

The whole discussion about trucking is hugely exaggerated by quoting annual numbers all the time.

2.000.000 trucks per year = 5.500 trucks per day. That's not a busy truck route at all, similar figures can be found on low-trafficked motorways all over Europe. Many German, British and Benelux autobahns have over 15.000 trucks per day.
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Old November 26th, 2011, 05:58 PM   #1483
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Plain motorways with quite relevant local traffic are different from mountain motorways with mainly long distance traffic. You can't (easily) transport by train freight between Rotterdam and Utrecht, but it would be possible to transport 30 or so semitrailers together from the Netherlands to Italy by train instead of towing them one by one.
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Old November 26th, 2011, 09:31 PM   #1484
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Circular argument: it would be possible to transport them at least from Basel to Chiasso, IF the Swiss had fit their operations to accommodate a large number of "rolling highway"/RO-RO trains in their plans for their network. But they same horrified by transporting whole trucks because "it means only 40% of the weight is actual cargo".
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Old December 11th, 2011, 01:07 AM   #1485
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Btw, when was the interchange Bern-Neufeld upgraded? I've just noticed it. It looks quite complicated, and I see a tunnel to Tiefenaustrasse.
As already said, the Neufeld-tunnel opened 16.08.2009.

Here are two pics I made (with my phone) when it was U/C.

1. Looking south to the Tiefenaustrasse


2. Looking north


3. Video Map
In the beginning, we have just left A1 and are driving through the tunnel to the city centre of Bern. (Sorry for the bad quality, I won't upload more videos to flickr.)

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Old December 11th, 2011, 07:23 AM   #1486
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Thanks for that video! That's a short expressway.
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Old December 12th, 2011, 08:17 PM   #1487
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Airolo with the Gotthard road and the Alps.



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Old December 13th, 2011, 03:40 AM   #1488
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The second pic is amazing.
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Old December 16th, 2011, 11:11 PM   #1489
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Gotthard railway, N2 and A2 this morning, This evening there were 6 km of queue before the Gotthard tunnel northbound, and southbound vehicles were traveling very slowly. Trucks have been banned from the A13 San Bernardino.

A few images from the TV here: http://la1.rsi.ch/home/networks/la1/...low#tabEdition





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Old December 17th, 2011, 06:07 PM   #1490
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The Lötschen valley (Kanton Wallis) is isolated, as the Steg-Gampel-Goppenstein-Blatten road is closed because of danger of avalanches, so the Kandersteg-Lötschberg-Goppenstein car shuttle is suspended and a temporary Kandersteg-Brig service has been activated, but with trains only every 2 hours instead of every 20-30 minutes. But I don't know if this service will last long, as also some passenger trains are canceled or run with delay leaving local inhabitants also without rail service (Goppenstein station). Apparently yesterday some trains skipped Goppenstein railway station as it was non reachable by the inhabitants of the valley neither by bus, car or foot. The Brig-Furka shuttle-Andermatt road and many other Alpine roads are also closed.

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Aktuelle Verkehrslage 17.12.2011, 16:49 Uhr
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Die Strassen Goppenstein-Blatten und Goppenstein-Gampel-Steg sind infolge Lawinengefahr geschlossen. Notverlad Kandersteg - Brig in Betrieb. Heute Samstag, 17. Dezember 2011: Abfahrt in Kandersteg um: 17.15, 19.15, 21.15, 23.15 Uhr. Abfahrt ab Brig: 16.20, 18.20, 20.20, 22.20, 0.15 Uhr. Am Sonntag, 18.12.2011 verkehren die Züge: Kandersteg ab 07.15, 9.15 und weiter alle 2 Stunden bis 23.15 Uhr. Brig ab: 08.20 , 10.20 und weiter alle 2 Stunden bis 0.15 Uhr. Fahrzeit ca 40 Minunten, Preis CHF 54.- Grossraumfahrzeuge können nicht befördert werden. Info Tel 058 327 4121. Es ist mit Wartezeiten zu rechnen. Umfahrungsempfehlung: Autobahn A 12 Bern - Vevey. Die Strasse Goppenstein - Lötschental ist ebenfalls gesperrt. Weitere Infos bei Änderung der Verkehrssituation.
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Frutigen – Kandersteg schneebedeckt
Gampel – Goppenstein gesperrt
Goppenstein – Lötschental gesperrt
Wartezeiten:
Kandersteg Keine Wartezeiten
Goppenstein Keine Wartezeiten
Source: http://www.bls.ch/d/autoverlad/autoverlad.php
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Old December 18th, 2011, 02:14 PM   #1491
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Gotthard railway, N2 and A2 this morning, This evening there were 6 km of queue before the Gotthard tunnel northbound, and southbound vehicles were traveling very slowly. Trucks have been banned from the A13 San Bernardino.
Eventually they've banned trucks on the A2 as well. They filled all parkings with trucks as well as hard shoulders. I've spent 16 hours on the hard shoulder (northbound) near Biasca.
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Old December 18th, 2011, 04:28 PM   #1492
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How many Sudokus did you solve?
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Old December 18th, 2011, 04:48 PM   #1493
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I had 3 colleagues and enough beer with me, so let's say it wasn't too bad after all.
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Old December 18th, 2011, 11:39 PM   #1494
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Rail & road report from the San Gottardo region.


















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Old December 19th, 2011, 12:48 AM   #1495
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I had 3 colleagues and enough beer with me, so let's say it wasn't too bad after all.
Drinking and driving?
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Old December 19th, 2011, 03:55 PM   #1496
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Of course only after it was clear that they wouldn't allow trucks anymore to drive through that day...
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Old December 20th, 2011, 03:31 PM   #1497
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A study about effects on local economies and roads around the Gotthard (Ticino-Uri-Graubünden-Wallis cantons) of the tunnel closure has been presented.

The options are:
* total closure around 2020-2025 (365 days/year for 2,5 years) for 1,2 billion CHF
* partial closure around 2019-2025 (280 days/year for 3,5 years) for 1,3 billion CHF
* second single lane tunnel around 2035, with 140 days of closure around 2020-2025 for urgent renovation works for 2,7 billion CHF

The variant should be chosen next year.

Source: http://www.astra.admin.ch/themen/nat...x.html?lang=de (DR-FR-IT)
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Old December 20th, 2011, 03:42 PM   #1498
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Hopefully, they will change their mind and opt for a new 2-lane tunnel, even with truck traffic restricted, which shouldn't cost more than CHF 3,1B
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Old December 20th, 2011, 04:17 PM   #1499
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They should put an high toll on foreign cars and trucks instead. Then they should sell passing rights in advance, with extremely high tolls on summer weekends (say 80-90 € per car) and lower on winter weekdays (but not lower than 40 € per trip).
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Old December 20th, 2011, 04:20 PM   #1500
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Wow, it would be the most unique situation of building a link that no-one uses. You should have spared money by not building it at all, since the result is the same.
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