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Old January 15th, 2012, 09:22 PM   #1561
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It would be a parallel 2+2 motorway via a 3,2 km tunnel (the one in red), plus something near Hergiswil:

http://www.bypass.lu.ch/bypass_kurz1.gif

It's the variant "kurz 1" shown here: http://www.bypass.lu.ch/index/zweckm...pass_stadt.htm
Will it complement or replace the existing A2? Interesting project.
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Old January 15th, 2012, 09:53 PM   #1562
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Complement, as the new tunnels will skip some exits.
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Old January 15th, 2012, 10:21 PM   #1563
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Well, that's the inverse.
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I suppose you were born after Chernobyl?
I obviously didn't mean in case of disasters but with the regular use of power plants. If a country produces nuclear energy it's mostly for internal necessities, apart a smaller amount of energy that is exported. Otherwise, motorways, expecially in Europe attract a consistent flow of foreign traffic.
Nobody would complain if a foreign country has poor power facilities (eg. no having nuclear, that IMHO is a good thing concerning the possible risks) but may complain about its poor transportation network.
An Italian trucker lost money if he need 8 hours between Milan and Munich bacause of the crappy connections across CH. On the other hand nobody cares in which way a neighbooring country get its energy, unless it can represent a hazard even for people living abroad (eg nuclear power plants, expecially the old ones).

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Old January 15th, 2012, 10:45 PM   #1564
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Is it normal in Swiss to set speed limit of 30km/h when there is snow conditions on the motorway?

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Old January 15th, 2012, 10:45 PM   #1565
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There are also crappy rail connections in Italy, so...
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Old January 15th, 2012, 10:57 PM   #1566
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There are also crappy rail connections in Italy, so...
The Italian RAIL TRACKS are not that bad. The Trenitalia service is more problematic than the infrastructure. Hence, I'm all in favor of massive de-regulation and liberalization of rail passenger service, so Italian relatively good tracks can be put to better use for other competing parties.

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Old January 15th, 2012, 11:02 PM   #1567
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No. Some Italian railway lines are badly equipped, badly managed or simply nearing capacity limits, especially those to Switzerland, and partly the Brenner.
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Old January 16th, 2012, 08:56 AM   #1568
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I obviously didn't mean in case of disasters but with the regular use of power plants. If a country produces nuclear energy it's mostly for internal necessities, apart a smaller amount of energy that is exported. Otherwise, motorways, expecially in Europe attract a consistent flow of foreign traffic.
That isn't true either. European countries have one big electricity network. France exports a large amount of electricity from nuclear energy.

Remember that blackout that Italy had when the cables of the Simplon line touched a tree?
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That isn't true either. European countries have one big electricity network. France exports a large amount of electricity from nuclear energy.
Indeed, and newly 'nuclear-free' Germany has recently become a big customer.
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Old January 16th, 2012, 04:46 PM   #1570
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Is it normal in Swiss to set speed limit of 30km/h when there is snow conditions on the motorway?
http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/4995/swisso.jpg
Looks like a permanent sign to me.
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Old January 16th, 2012, 04:59 PM   #1571
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I think that's at the German - Swiss border in Basel.
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Old January 16th, 2012, 06:00 PM   #1572
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I think that's at the German - Swiss border in Basel.
Do you know what is regular speed limit on MW during snow condition in Swiss and Nederland?
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Old January 16th, 2012, 06:28 PM   #1573
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There is no such thing in Switzerland, you always have to adapt your speed to road conditions.
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Old January 20th, 2012, 10:45 PM   #1574
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387 km of roads will be transferred to the federal government, while the 11 km of the N4 between Schaffhausen and Bargen will be transferred to canton Schaffhausen. To pay for the maintenance the vignette's price will be increased from 40 to 100 CHF, and a two month vignette introduced for 40 CHF. An electronic vignette/toll system may be introduced later. Both the vignette increase and the transfer of roads should take place around 2014.

The roads transferred are shown in red. The class 1 and 2 roads will receive an A number (white in red diamond), class 3 roads will maintain their blue rectangle with white numbers. Some roads (A17 to Glarus, N25 to Appenzell) even if nearly dead-end have been included so as to give each cantonal capital a national road, even if some of these capitals are just villages of 5.000 inhabitants and don't require major investments.



The transfer includes also some projects for new motorways sections (or tunnels, the two words became synonyms recently).

One is the missing part of A53 near Zürich, around 10 km long, with lanes of 3.50 m instead of 3.75 m and maximum speed of 100 km/h.



Then there are two tunnels for the A20 bypassing the twin towns of Le Locle (4 km, 1x2) and La Chaux-de-Fonds (5 km, 2x2).





A discussion for the financing of these and other new project will take place after the referendum in 2014 where voters will decide how to finance railways (then, indirectly, roads).

More infos: http://www.astra.admin.ch/00638/inde...t&msg-id=43058 (DE-FR-IT)

List of future national roads with their class http://www.news.admin.ch/NSBSubscrib...ents/25489.pdf (some 2x2 roads but without continuous shoulder are second class, like A2 Altdorf-Gotthard-Airolo)
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Old January 20th, 2012, 10:49 PM   #1575
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It's just an excuse to increase taxes. Most of these new national roads will not be significantly improved, at least not in a way it justifies a 250% tax increase to fund a network that's only marginally larger.

I'm not necessarily against the vignette price increase though, this brings the annual vignette more in line with the Austrian and Czech vignette prices and let's face it, 100 CHF is still not very much compared to other motor vehicle expenses.

I just hope they come up with better plans than "lowering the speed limit to reduce congestion".
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Old January 20th, 2012, 10:56 PM   #1576
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The maintenance costs will be covered by the federal government rather than by the cantons (and some federal funds), so more than a tax increase it will be a shift from cantonal taxes to the vignette.
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Old January 20th, 2012, 11:44 PM   #1577
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I think that's at the German - Swiss border in Basel.
No, this was at the obligatory truck parking Erstfeld. (off-motorway)
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Old January 21st, 2012, 04:53 PM   #1578
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Furka Autoverlad (vehicle-transport train embarkation) at Oberwald (VS). The pass road is closed. Train travels a distance of about 15km in a tunnel with the vehicles.
A one-way ticket for a passenger car is about CHF 30.-

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Old January 21st, 2012, 05:37 PM   #1579
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The Furka base tunnel has an unknown branch to Val Bedretto/TI, used to build the main tunnel. It was planned to add a loading station there, and to build a railway to Airolo (connection with the Gotthard railway), but plans were soon dropped and the branch tunnel never enlarged to the railway loading gauge. Today the only link between Valais/Wallis and Ticino is the Nufenen/Novena pass road, opened around 1967 and closed most of the year. Compared the Dolomites and other parts of the Alps, there are few pass roads in Switzerland, and most valleys are accessed by dead-end roads, with the few existing passes being closed in winter.
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Old January 21st, 2012, 05:39 PM   #1580
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Is the Autoverlad subsidized by the government? You'd think so, at least in the winter, because there are no alternative roads (unless you take a massive detour), so the Autoverlad is basically just like a tunnel or bridge, paid for by taxes. Still, 30 CHF is rather steep, you don't want to do that every day.
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