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Old January 21st, 2012, 05:50 PM   #1581
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The Lötschberg shuttle (around 5.000 vpd or 1.8 millions per year) tickets cover the running costs, however the others are subsidized (I don't know if via rail or road funds, but shuttles are considered like roads for road planning purposes). Traffic on other shuttles is much lower: Vereina 400.000, Furka 200.000, Simplon 100.000, Oberalp much less (a dozen vehicles per train, 4 trips per day per direction = 100~120 vpd). The recently discontinued Albula shuttle had similar traffic levels of the Oberalp service, and the Gotthard loading stations are kept usable as backups. Note that most shuttle traffic is formed of private vehicles and a few buses, as the maximum height is around 3.8 m.
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Old January 21st, 2012, 07:57 PM   #1582
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The Lötschberg shuttle (around 5.000 vpd or 1.8 millions per year) tickets cover the running costs
With such a steep fare and large traffic, they could build a car-and-van only road tunnel to replace the shuttle and finance it with tolls only.

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The recently discontinued Albula shuttle had similar traffic levels of the Oberalp service, and the Gotthard loading stations are kept usable as backups. Note that most shuttle traffic is formed of private vehicles and a few buses, as the maximum height is around 3.8 m.
Is the Julierpaß now kept open year-round? Otherwise road access to St. Moritz would be tricky, requiring the use of the Vereina shuttle than backtracking.
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Old January 21st, 2012, 08:17 PM   #1583
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With such a steep fare and large traffic, they could build a car-and-van only road tunnel to replace the shuttle and finance it with tolls only.
The projected nearby Rawil road tunnel and motorway have been abandoned and a new railway built instead - and everyone is happy of that!

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Is the Julierpaß now kept open year-round? Otherwise road access to St. Moritz would be tricky, requiring the use of the Vereina shuttle than backtracking.
Julierpass has always been opened in winter (as much as possible).
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Old January 21st, 2012, 08:19 PM   #1584
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The projected nearby Rawil road tunnel and motorway have been abandoned and a new railway built instead - and everyone is happy of that!
The Lötschberg Base Tunnel doesn't carry cars, so it is rather irrelevant for road transport.
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Old January 21st, 2012, 08:23 PM   #1585
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It's people that need to be moved, not steel boxes on rubber wheels.
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Old January 25th, 2012, 11:20 AM   #1586
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Last summer I used the autoverlad Kandersteg - Goppenstein. It was quite expensive (I thought 26 CHF), the tunnel is very noisy and there's no lightning at all. Not a very pleasant break during a long journey...
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Old January 25th, 2012, 11:46 AM   #1587
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There was a plan to introduce a new service with Eurotunnel-like vehicles (both for cars and trucks) through the new railway tunnel, but to save money it was built partially single track so there is no capacity for shuttles.

With the transfer of the access roads to the federal government this new service seems unlikely. I only hope they do something to bypass Gampel-Steg village linking the new A6/N6 with the A9.
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Old January 27th, 2012, 10:17 PM   #1588
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Someone in the past asked for the rules about snow equipment. According to this article it is not mandatory to have winter tyres on cars because of that, but drivers that become stuck in the snow may have to pay a fine if they are not equipped. The article doesn't say anything about chains, only that this weekend more snow is predicted even in plains.

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80% of the Eyholz tunnel (the eastern one) of the A9 near Visp has been bored. On the other hand only 17% of the westbound tube of the Visp tunnel have been bored. The eastbound tube has been opened some years ago, but only on the Vispertal branch (to Saas Fee and Zermatt). The A9 branch is still under construction. Opening of the remaining part of the A9 is expected around 2016, but I don't know if it will open in one day or if it will be opened in stages.

Maps can be found here: http://www.a9-vs.ch/aktuell/aktuell.php (4 PDF in the second line, the one beginning with "Vortriebsstände")
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 01:13 AM   #1589
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Oberalp route (again). In the last photo the road is somewhere under the snow to the right of the railway. My car train was empty, with only 3 cars and 6 passengers. There are four car trains per day per direction, plus a regional train every hour.









PS about Wegenwiki: the Kerenzerberg tunnel is a single tube towards Sargans-Chur. In the other direction the motorway runs in many short tunnels, partly reusing a single track railway alignment (the railway itself got a new 4 km tunnel).
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Old February 14th, 2012, 01:33 PM   #1590
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ASTRA's report of 2011 is available: http://www.astra.admin.ch/dokumentat...x.html?lang=de (German-French-Italian)

It contains some photos of the Gotthard tunnel (service tunnel, cross passages, etc).
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Old February 17th, 2012, 05:06 PM   #1591
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A video about the upgrade of Melide-Grancia-San Salvatore tunnel (1,7 km) on the A2: http://la1.rsi.ch/home/networks/la1/...low#tabEdition

The roof will be demolished, the cables located there have been put in a new service tunnel bored below the traffic tubes. It is planned to build a third tube to be used in the peak direction, but certainly not before 2030. Traffic today is around 70.000 vehicles per day.
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Old February 19th, 2012, 08:03 PM   #1592
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The last of four bores of the A5 wastern bypass of Biel-Bienne has been completed yesterday. This part has two tunnels, each composed of two tubes (around 1.5 + 2.8 km, x 2).

The western bypass will have a ~2.5 km bidirectional natural tunnel towards Neuchâtel (part of the A5, with a single lane per direction, no.1 in blue in the map), some other artificial tunnels or uncovered trenches, and finally a 3 km branch in tunnel (no.3, green). Opening is unlikely before 2025.

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Old February 22nd, 2012, 01:14 PM   #1593
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The federal government will invest 3.06 billions CHF from now until 2015 to complete the national roads, an average of 750 millions per year.

Around 95% of the planned network has been completed, and 100 km still need to be built, mainly the A4 (Schwyz and Uri), A5 Biel-Bienne, A9 and A16.

The long term construction plans are approved by the federal government every 4 years.

http://www.24heures.ch/suisse/berne-...story/31584506
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 06:54 PM   #1594
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the whole list:

Opening between 2012 and 2014:

A8 contournement de Lungern (Obwald) Ouverture en 2012
A16 Loveresse - Tavannes (Berne) Ouverture en 2012
A5 contournement de Serrières (Neuchâtel) Ouverture en 2013
A16 Moutier Sud - Court (Berne) Ouverture en 2013
A16 Bure - Porrentruy Ouest (Jura) Ouverture en 2014

The rest of projects needed to finish the national network:

A5 BE contournement de Bienne Westast
A4 nouvelle Axenstrasse
A2 BS gare CFF - triangle de Gellert
A4 ZH Knonau, contournement de Ottenbach/Obfelden
A5 NE Serrières
A9 VS contournement de Viège, Pfynwald, Riedberg
A16 BE/JU
A28 GR contournement de Küblis
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 10:25 PM   #1595
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After that they need to create a new road plan with new highways
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 11:49 PM   #1596
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Why? Most important axis have will have a motorway by 2016, and Swiss don't like roads so much, so I don't see any new big project progressing (just a few widenings).
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Old February 24th, 2012, 12:17 AM   #1597
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Swiss don't like roads so much
Don't let a few very vocal anti-road groups blur your view of the average inhabitant. (politicians already do that enough). If they dislike roads so much, then why is the Swiss car ownership rate one of the highest in Europe? If you factor out some countries with few inhabitants, the Swiss car ownership rate is the 6th highest of Europe.
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Old February 24th, 2012, 10:21 AM   #1598
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If they dislike roads so much, then why is the Swiss car ownership rate one of the highest in Europe?
There is the exception of Basel (330 vehicles/1000 inhabitants), and ownership rate isn't all. For example nearly all motorways have less than 80.000 vpd (compared than the 200.000 in the Netherlands) and every Swiss travel by train 2400 km a year, compared 1300 for French and Danish people and less than 1000 for the rest of western European. The last road initiative (Avanti*) has been rejected by voters, while usually rail projects are approved.

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http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/pore/va/200...lic/gesamt.pdf (DE)
http://www.admin.ch/ch/f/pore/va/200...lic/gesamt.pdf (FR)
http://www.admin.ch/ch/i/pore/va/200...lic/gesamt.pdf (IT)
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Old February 24th, 2012, 10:46 AM   #1599
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It's easy to convince people that roads are bad. For instance, that document you posted reads:
"Più strade significa aumento del traffico e, di conseguenza,
aumento delle code."
"More roads mean more traffic and, therefore, more queues".

How can you take seriously such a document?
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Yeah, that's about the classic argument of anti-road people. Apply the same argument to hospitals please, if you build more hospitals only more people would get sick, so the solution is to not expand hospital services, so less people will be sick. Or schools. Or sewage systems, or public transport, or just about anything. You can't have a 21st century economy and society with a 20th century infrastructure network.

Comparing traffic volumes between Switzerland and the Netherlands is nonsense because the Netherlands has over 2 times the number of population on the same amount of km².
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