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Old February 27th, 2012, 08:04 PM   #1621
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Yes, it was almost impossible to travel before.
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Old February 27th, 2012, 10:12 PM   #1622
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Even before Schengen we could travel out neighbours easily.
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Old February 28th, 2012, 01:24 AM   #1623
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There are plenty of Swiss plated cars in Italy, Austria and France.
The Dutch are everywhere though, not just in neighbours. I see many more Dutch here than the Swiss and they're farther away.
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Old February 28th, 2012, 01:31 AM   #1624
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Even before Schengen we could travel out neighbours easily.
Off course, but there were long lines during rush hour.
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Old February 28th, 2012, 03:07 AM   #1625
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The Dutch are everywhere though, not just in neighbours. I see many more Dutch here than the Swiss and they're farther away.
Double the population of CH, and a more 'dull' country with fewer things to do (no skiing, no hot-water beaches, no wilderness in this otherwise awesome flat country )
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Old February 28th, 2012, 04:48 AM   #1626
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^ Yes, but we don't care about reasons here, it's just a fact (except about the double population, but it's not enough).
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Old February 28th, 2012, 09:15 AM   #1627
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Swiss travel a lot abroad, since they have no sea at home. It's plenty of them in Italian and French seaside towns. And the recent Schengen membership help them.
Why would they need open sea for? They have got absolutely stunning lakes like Vierwaldstättersee, Lago di Lugano, etc

I tend to think the swiss are relatively devoted to their own country during the holidays, since they're quite proud on their country (well, not without reasons imo). Plus the fact that most Swiss are quite environment-minded...
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Old February 28th, 2012, 09:20 AM   #1628
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The Dutch are everywhere though, not just in neighbours. I see many more Dutch here than the Swiss and they're farther away.
The dutch just love to travel big distances by car/caravan/camper, whereas others rather prefer to travel by plane. Actually, I don't know where it's coming from, but I have to admit that I'm not different from that.

For instance, the Belgians are just with a few million less, but outside of the Benelux and northern France, you barely see Belgian plates...
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Old February 28th, 2012, 10:16 AM   #1629
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A railway photo, nothing special if it wasn't taken that day.

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Montreux - Rochers de Naye railway, 27th May 2007

This point isn't really high,around 2000 m/6000 ft.



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Old February 28th, 2012, 11:40 AM   #1630
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Now that franc has a really high exchange rate it's cheap for Swiss people to spend holidays abroad.
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Old March 4th, 2012, 11:32 PM   #1631
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I am planning a trip for Eastern period, from Ingolstadt to Wil, St. Gallen, Switzerland.
I guess the best route would be http://g.co/maps/jzpba
Is it worth it to choose the motorway (and pay the toll also), or maybe go for the Landstrassen?
I would like to see nice scenaries if possible.
Except for Zurich, what other places would be nice to see? What routes to take? Also, I am thinking to visit Liechtenstein, maybe on the return way.
Thanks!

EDIT: I was reading here, and if I understand correctly you have to buy CH vignette also if you use Bundesstrassen, http://www.adac-shop.de/Vignetten/Sc...ette-2012.html. Can someone please explain to me?

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Old March 5th, 2012, 01:03 AM   #1632
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You need to have a vignette if you use national highways, be them 2x2 or 2x1.

Vaduz is nice, especially on a sunny day. If you want to drive through one of the most stunning scenery, go for the Austrian A14+S16+A12. It requires other vignette (less expensive for 10-day only) but it is totally awesome.
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Old March 5th, 2012, 01:11 AM   #1633
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OK, so whatever roads I use in CH, vignette is must have.
Oh well... thanks!
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Old March 5th, 2012, 01:55 AM   #1634
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No, you need the Vignette only for motorways and expressways (Autobahn and Autostrasse). For the Landstrasse you don't need it. Here's a map of the toll-roads.
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Old March 5th, 2012, 09:11 PM   #1635
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Why would they need open sea for? They have got absolutely stunning lakes like Vierwaldstättersee, Lago di Lugano, etc
I like our lakes really, I live close to one (5 minutes by bicycle) but sometimes you just want to be at a nice beach at the sea too.
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I tend to think the swiss are relatively devoted to their own country during the holidays, since they're quite proud on their country (well, not without reasons imo). Plus the fact that most Swiss are quite environment-minded...
Usually when I travel abroad, I will at least once in the holiday hear some Swiss German, mostly at some places you would never expect it. I haven't heard any in Natal (BR) though.
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Old March 8th, 2012, 05:09 PM   #1636
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A decision for the Gotthard tunnel will be taken before this summer. The second tunnel would be opened between 2030 and 2035, then the first one refurbished. The extreme high cost of the truck shuttle system (set high voluntarily, I would say) together with the decision do demolish the loading stations after three years may play a role in the decision. However, in the case of a second tunnel two complete closures of 50 and 90 days would still be needed before 2025 for urgent temporary maintenance works, this time without truck shuttle (maybe just a low capacity car shuttle for local traffic).

Uri oppose the new tunnel option following the result of the referendum, Valais and Graubünden support it because of nimbysm (they don't want diverted traffic). After the (re)opening of the two tunnels each would be used with only one lane, but maybe a sort of shoulder running would be created for peak days (although it is forbidden by the Alpen Initiative).
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Old March 8th, 2012, 05:36 PM   #1637
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Just out of curiosity, what is the tunnel AADT?
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Old March 8th, 2012, 05:44 PM   #1638
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12.000 in Winter, 24.000 in July and Augusts, with peaks at 36.000.
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Old March 10th, 2012, 02:06 AM   #1639
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They could still open a second tunnel while leaving the truck crossing capped.

2025 fleet will be extremely clean, any Euro-1 or Euro-2 will be gone.

In any case, if they only open a new tunnel with one lane is a major improvement to avoid frontal collisions.
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Old March 10th, 2012, 07:14 PM   #1640
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And then within a couple of years, the locals could well experience the folly of having a twin-tube full-profile motorway tunnel that is striped for only half-capacity and drop that rule, at least for that crossing.

We can only hope.

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