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Old July 25th, 2008, 10:56 AM   #161
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I hope to drive here in 4 weeks
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Old July 25th, 2008, 12:13 PM   #162
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Don't forget to take pictures!
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Old July 25th, 2008, 01:08 PM   #163
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That's Lauterbrunnental, right?
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Old July 25th, 2008, 01:56 PM   #164
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Yes it is. It will be my 3rd time there (over a 12 year span).
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Old July 25th, 2008, 05:40 PM   #165
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Old July 25th, 2008, 05:59 PM   #166
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I hope to drive here in 4 weeks
I return from Switzerland in 4 weeks.
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Old July 25th, 2008, 08:38 PM   #167
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You'd think? We've built for billions of euros a HSR with eg a 7km tunnel, but we can't fill a 7km gap on one of dutch busiest motorways.
yeah, the groene hart tunnel...

I don't understand. what happened to our (europian) society?

we are spending enormous lot of money to uneconomic railway projects while we are neglecting our road network and delaying or cancelling the very economic road projects...

we are crying about the always rising oil price, but we are happily (and foolishly) making more expensive the transportation by tolling our roads (above the extremly high fuel tax) and by forcing the transport to the uneconomic railway...

are we fools?

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Old July 25th, 2008, 08:58 PM   #168
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A lot of people think that public transport can take the entire transportation demand. I've seen ridiculous posts here on SSC, like people saying they want to turn a 12 lane freeway into a railway line and so on.
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Old July 25th, 2008, 09:44 PM   #169
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Roads are just as important as Railroads. You can't depend on one form of transportation.
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Old July 26th, 2008, 12:17 AM   #170
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the traffic limit of trucks will be substantially lower.
how does this truck-limit work?
you are counting the trucks on the pass and when the counter reaches the limit (in the middle of the year) you place a "no entry for trucks" sign?

or you are going to raise the tranzit toll until enough truckers choose the train?
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Old July 26th, 2008, 07:39 AM   #171
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Trucks will have to buy a sort of ticket in advance. The number of tickets will be limited and sold to the company who offer more money.

http://www.alpeninitiative.ch/e/ATB_Facts.asp

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The Alpine Crossing Exchange (ACE) is aimed at establishing an equitable distribution of a fixed number of heavy vehicle trips among the various Alpine passes and weekdays. The crossing rights will be auctioned in advance through an internet-supported exchange system. As with all limited goods and resources, the price will be fixed by demand. This way, not only will traffic jams and long waiting times for the trucks be avoided, but the population will also be protected from excessive disturbances along transalpine routes. In addition, this system will enable railway companies to become equal stakeholders in transalpine freight transport.
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Old July 26th, 2008, 09:14 AM   #172
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maybe switzerland is right.

maybe we (hungary) should do the same:
- step out from the EU and impose huge tolls on transit trucks.

we are also an unavoidable (or at least hardly avoidable) transit country, it would be a nice income to the budget...
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Old July 26th, 2008, 10:07 AM   #173
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everybody says that a one tube tunnel (1TT) is much more unsafer than a two tube tunnel (2TT)...

but whats the reason?

it is true that there is a high risk of frontal collision in a 1TT while in a 2TT it is unlikely.

but the car drivers can escape easily from the 1TT by turning back and driving out. (ok, trucks cannot, truckers have to get a lift...)

but in a 2TT cars are stucked in behind an accident.
and while stucking behind an accident on an open road is no problem, in a tunnel it is extremely dangerous. (b/c of poisonous smokes of fire)
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Old July 26th, 2008, 10:31 AM   #174
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which surely would change when they would do a "mamut"-project like a second tube
if a 16km tube is "mamut" project, how would you rank a project of 214km tube* (not counting the service tubes)???

it is a real Brachiosaurus project...


(*GBT+LBT+CBT=(57+35+15)*2=214)
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Old July 26th, 2008, 11:12 AM   #175
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Yeah that's true, but then again, who cares about € 25 on vacation?
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I think a 27 euro vignette is expensive enough for generally no more than 3 hours driving through Switzerland.
so you have revised your standpoint?
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Old July 26th, 2008, 11:13 AM   #176
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No. I mean 25/27 euro's is a price that's high enough for a couple of hours driving through Switzerland, only people will buy a vignette anyway, because on their total holiday budget, it's still a very small amount. That's why the rip-off of the Slovenian government works too.

No real alternatives, so people buy the vignette anyway. The Frejustunnel also has a ridiculous fare, hence a low number of vehicles (less that 5.000).
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Old July 26th, 2008, 11:33 AM   #177
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nowadays it´s expensive enough to build tunnels.

i think every tunnel more than 10km the politics thinks twice if the build it or not.

specially in Swiss they know, that everything they DON´T build could help preventing from international traffic. and so they have to find out (because you have to have a few transit roads) if it´s absolutly necessary or you let the traffix to other countries


btw:

a few intersting articels about tragedies in tunnels:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tauern_Road_Tunnel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mont_Blanc_Tunnel

this site is f*king interesting: My No. 1

http://www.mace.manchester.ac.uk/pro...Fires/mont.htm
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Old July 26th, 2008, 11:38 AM   #178
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That's why the rip-off of the Slovenian government works too.
wow. that was a light speed answer...

i think we (hungary) should folow Switcherland and Slovenia...

a reasonable yearly vignette would be nice for us but woud be a nice rip-off for the forigners...

(but we are EU members, Switz is not. what will brussel say?)

our yearly vignette is about 200 eur. that is too much.
but a truck can cross the country for 13eur with a one day vignette...
that is insane...
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Old July 26th, 2008, 12:02 PM   #179
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Well, they're talking about implementing a new tolling system in the Netherlands which can cost a commuter over € 1100 per year. How about that.
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Old July 26th, 2008, 12:07 PM   #180
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nice.
stupidity has no limit...

I think this quote is from Einstein:

"There are two infinite things: the stupidity and the universe.
But Im not sure about the latter..."
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