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Old July 16th, 2012, 01:25 AM   #1901
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Yesterday there were around 8 km queue southbound at the Swiss-Italian border on A2 - more or less the same than before the Tunnel, so even if it were 2x2 probably the queue at the border would have been longer.

Is there an exact date for the referendum about the second tube for the Gotthard tunnel?
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Old July 16th, 2012, 01:33 AM   #1902
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In that case I use pass (usually only 30' slower compared to an empty tunnel
"Only"? You usually hear that from someone like Borat (stuck in the 19th century), not from a Swiss.
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Old July 16th, 2012, 10:02 AM   #1903
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Is there an exact date for the referendum about the second tube for the Gotthard tunnel?
There isn't even a referendum yet, so no.
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Old July 16th, 2012, 11:13 AM   #1904
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That doesn't work for winter congested days around Christmas, for instance.
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Why would you want to go to Lugano during Christmas? But if you need to then taking a train is a better option.
People living temporarily living north of the Alps but usually living to the south, for instance (and viceversa). There aren't many peak days in winter though, and in that case I use the train.

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Is there an exact date for the referendum about the second tube for the Gotthard tunnel?
It will be in around 2014-2015 (it hasn't been launched yet, but the opponents will with no doubts find enough signatures, when they will be able to start collecting them).

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"Only"? You usually hear that from someone like Borat (stuck in the 19th century), not from a Swiss.
I'm used to consider only realistic alternatives if I have to choose - and the pass isn't so slow.
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Old July 17th, 2012, 10:33 AM   #1905
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The 2.8 km long Vedeggio-Cassarate tunnel in Lugano will open on 26th July. Four days before during the night 21/22 many streets in the city centre will change direction of travel, some one-way streets will handle two-way traffic, some will remain one-way but in the opposite direction, finally a few from two-way will become one-way. Note the strange tunnel portal in the photo below, vehicles will enter the tunnel from the side doing a S-shaped curve. This because in the future a new road will be built with a short and straight prolongation of the tunnel built above the ground (like the A2 tunnel in Utrecht, but on a much smaller scale). The tunnel is apparently signposted as Autostrasse, although cantonal.

The tunnel links these two points. Together with a planned (but not soon to be built) 3.7 km tunnel from point B to the border ad Gandria and with a 3.8 km tunnel on the Italian side (to be opened, maybe, this year after 10 years of works) it will improve the connection between the Gotthard motorway and Lake Como.

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Old July 17th, 2012, 05:04 PM   #1906
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Interesting portal. That road to Lake Como is quite challenging though. I saw a motorhome that crashed into a tunnel ceiling.
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Old July 17th, 2012, 11:22 PM   #1907
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I've driven the road from Lugano to lake Como and it's quite scenic. Not fast obviously, but I was on vacation.

But anyway disregarding the planned tunnel, how is the current one going to help? Point B seems to be in the middle of nowhere... Won't it be faster to go via downtown Lugano anyway?
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Old July 17th, 2012, 11:53 PM   #1908
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Won't it be faster to go via downtown Lugano anyway?
Not anymore because the new running directions on roads have been made so as to make traversing the centre unattractive (for example, converting two one-way streets with opposite flows into two two-way streets, or alternating directions on the same road - one block west-east, then one block east-west, then again west-east, ...).

A good way to go from the A2 to Lake Como may be this (or going down on the road parallel to the river up to Lake Lugano, then turning left - on a road that Google maps still consider as one-way northbound, instead of two-way):

https://maps.google.ch/maps?saddr=Vi...ra=ls&t=m&z=14

If someone wants, here a 4 MB file with the new traffic directions: http://www.pvp-luganese.ch/download....2C+luglio+2012 (black arrow = unchanged direction, red = new direction, yellow = buses; red/blue/green = main/secodnary/local roads, yellow = bus lanes)
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Old July 18th, 2012, 12:09 AM   #1909
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Ok, that's more clear. I hadn't taken into account the changes in street directions.

Only when you drive roads like this you realize that 30 km is actually not that close ("impressive" 40 km/h average for this stretch).
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Old July 21st, 2012, 12:22 AM   #1910
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Kaiserstuhl OW, a dozen of buildings rather than a village, will be bypassed by 2022. There will be a 2.5 km tunnel on a 3.8 km section of new road, with a maximum slope of 5% in tunnel and 7% outside (there is a heigh difference of around 200 m between the two extremes).

Press release: http://www.ow.ch/de/aktuelles/aktuel...o&info_id=7505

Plan: http://www.ow.ch/dl.php/de/4ff527349...cht_120619.jpg

Meanwhile, Lungern tunnel will open at the end of the year. With these there will remain three gaps on the A8, one on the Brünig pass and two south of Lake Thun. There is a plan for a 3.5 km Brünig tunnel nut I'm not aware of anything for the other two gaps. The A8 is 94 km long and mainly with one lane per direction, with a few 2+1 and 2+2 sections.
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H 509 + Lötschbergtunnel + H 223 = Lötschbergstrasse (= future A6?)

From Wallis to Spiez.

Hairpin bends to gain altitude.



Through Gampel.



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Old July 25th, 2012, 01:05 AM   #1912
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After the hairpins a 2.5 km tunnel.





The viaduct carrying the loading station (right) and the mainline (left).



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Bikes, motorbikes and their passengers travel in a railway coach (it's a driving trailer, the pantograph is used only for lighting and services, not to move the train).





14612 m inside the Lötschberg tunnel.

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Basically each trainset for the shuttles is different from the others. Some shuttles can carry vehicles up to around 3.6 m high (like caravans, buses and small trucks), other only up to 3.2. Only smaller trucks up to 28 tonnes and around 3.6 m can be transported, so most of them go via the A9 and A12 instead. There is at least a shuttle every 30 minutes 5.30 to 23.00, of which one per hour for higher vehicles. There are more departures on peak days, up to 4 per hour per direction. AADT on the shuttles is around 5.000 vehicles a day (plus ~80 passenger and freight trains a day).





The Kander valley has been partially filled with the spoil of the base tunnel, covering this shell built before turning it into a tunnel.



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Isn't the new tunnel used?
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Isn't the new tunnel used?
Not for car shuttle operations.
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Facts and figures of 2012, also in English: http://www.astra.admin.ch/dokumentat...x.html?lang=en (DE-FR-IT-EN)
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I thought the busiest road was A1 west of Zürich, not east of it.
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