#PROJECT: SKYDIVE DUBAI (Former site of DUBAI PROMENADE)

[noir-dresses]

If they are really going to build another run way it won't be because of increased air traffic, that's for sure. Most likely because of cross wind landings, especially with the tight airspace around marina. Actually could be dangerous when windy, but then I doubt they sky dive on windy days either.

Expect the second runway to be set up in totally different directions. The two runways should be cross shaped from a birds eye view when finished if I'm correct.

[True Blue]

I am pretty sure it is only going to be a single runway and the first runway will be scrapped. The direction of the current runway takes advantage of the landmass and onshore winds. However landing aircraft have to turn close to the tallest block to line up on a very short final. The international law says you cannot come within 500ft of any building at any time so the approach is a difficult operation. The new alignment means that aircraft approach can be parallel with Al Sufouh road and maintain 500ft clearance without any difficulty, small turn to align and land.

The problem with this becoming more permanent is the total lack of consultation with the residents of the marina and the hotel operators. Believe me, the previous aircraft made a lot of noise during the climb out and that is not good for hotels with residents looking for peace and quiet. I also have concerns for safety as there is very little space or options for the pilot should he experience an engine failure. Ditching at sea is a very tricky operation that you can not practice and is very often fatal.

[Dubai_Steve]

Originally Posted by True Blue

The problem with this becoming more permanent is the total lack of consultation with the residents of the marina and the hotel operators. Believe me, the previous aircraft made a lot of noise during the climb out and that is not good for hotels with residents looking for peace and quiet.

From the skydive Dubai website:

This new season welcomes a slick new addition to our fleet of jump ships, both SD444 and 333 are now boasting powerful PT6 (dash) 34 turbines and 4 bladed props giving them a much faster climb rate and making them at the same time much quieter... Be ready for significantly faster rides to altitude & less time between loads adding to a much better day for any skydiver!

[True Blue]

Don't know what difference turbo props will make over conventional piston engines. The aircraft is almost certainly a Twin Otter, the same type of aircraft operated by Logan Air to ferry people to the highlands and islands of Scotland, so it is a plane I am familiar with. The props are noisey on take off as they grip and chop their way through the air. The steeper the angle of attack, the noisier the props are.

Faster climb rate = faster cycle times = more aircraft activity and disturbance.

[True Blue]

Went onto youtube to see if I could find anything with a twin otter taking off so we could hear how quiet they are.

This take off goes badly wrong possibly due to the plane being heavily loaded with only a short take off run. Wind probably from the side gives windward wing lift, while the other wing (leaward) does not have enough air to generate lift and the plane rolls over trailing the other wing along the ground. Not a thing the pilot can do!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0DEb0M6wt4

You can see now why, as a qualified pilot myself, I have concerns about STOL aircraft operating on short airstrips in such a densely populated area and near busy beaches.

[noir-dresses]

Notice also how the pilot needs to apply the brakes, and give the engine full throttle before take off. That's also the only way to reach enough speed for V2 on a short runway like we have at Marina. Now how quite can that really be ???

We can easily find out what the noise pollution is on this aircraft.

The positive side to this is the Otter can easily have floats added/installed so in reality it doesn't need a runway.

[Dubai_Steve]

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[jsmith6]

So no chance they will build the bridge to the crescent or they are doing both the bridge and the runway?

[Chakazoolu]

No bridge to the cresent in the near future.
Confirmed there will be 2 runways. The existing one will remain, and the new one in the location shown above! The landing zone (and pool) will remain. 2 new wind tunnels, and lots more to come. Skydive Dubai is here to stay, it will only get better and is a great attraction for Dubai.
The skydive championship starts in just over 2 weeks, its gonna be a good one.

[True Blue]

So is it now time to move Dubai Promenade to the "never built" section?

[Chakazoolu]

For now yes, but it can't be ruled out, it could go ahead someday.

[Imre]

Originally Posted by True Blue

So is it now time to move Dubai Promenade to the "never built" section?

Yes, NEVER BUILT!

[Imre]

This is the end of this one,old board just gone, fence removing just begun , it seems they will fill up the holes as well!

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[getoffmysand]

Originally Posted by GTR11

admins please move to never built

or

change the name to "marina airport and skdive dubai"?

[Josau]

Now, let's not get carried away, it isn't exactly an airport, more an airfield or an airdrome.

[gevorika78]

Nestled along the sandy coast of Dubai, UAE, the impressive Marina + Beach Towers will be a mixed used development that will feature restaurants, retail shops, and residential spaces.

If nothing else, the Middle East is known for its ambitious architecture. Home to palm tree shaped islands, the world’s tallest building, and a long list of others, the Middle East has not been left wanting when it comes to buildings that inspire, awe, and amaze. And as the world’s thirst for oil continues and the regions reserves dwindle, many countries in the Middle East have turned to tourism and other forms of commerce to prepare and supplement their coffers.

One such architectural addition, the Marina + Beach Towers comes by way of Miami-based firm Oppenheimer Achitecture + Design and is slated to serve as a mixed use development. Set along the sand riddled coast of Dubai, United Arab Emirates, the Marina + Beach Towers features two large structural forms jetting from the sand and gently arcing upwards towards the sky. Between the spaces visitors are treated to a lush oasis and can continue towards the planned promenade that will host a bazaar as well as retail and dining locations.

The Marina + Beach Towers will also house residential units within the facades and can be accessed via pedestrian bridges within the vertical chasm that connects both the interior and exterior of each building. The twin structure will also attempt to isolate natural sources of energy and provide a level of self sustaining power through wind arrays, solar paneling, and a reusable water system for resource conservation.

[Face81]

This looks pretty cool! Wonder if it's something Nakheel is seriously considering?

[True Blue]

Almost! It looks like it is just an Architects concept design. The type of thing they put together to try and generate work. Nakheel have been know to contact firms recently and asking them to look at ideas for sites. It doesn't mean it will happen.

The thing that sickens me slightly is that this is the type of thing that was flying around Dubai in 2004-5. As an engineer I knew they would never be built as it is plainly obvious to anyone with the ability to visually analys a frame, that they are not stable. The picture above is not structurally viable for many reasons, so it will never be built in that form. Anyone remember the Ipod building (business bay I believe) which they changed the name due to copyright. When they got the structural engineers on board, they found out that it was impossible to build. The developer then dissapeared with everyones money.

Now that I have explained that it is structurally unviable, take another look at the base size and offset (load ecentricity of the building weight on the foundations). Where the load is going to go and what the structure will want to do. Can it really be supported by that silly little link bridge between the 2 structures? Some architects should be shot!

[AltinD]

Even I can tell that the proposal is structurally un-build-able


PS: I AM an Engineer graduate, just not a construction one

[True Blue]

As an engineer you will deal in reality and not the fantasy that architects deal with