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Old November 18th, 2007, 02:09 PM   #561
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Old November 18th, 2007, 11:45 PM   #562
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Many thanks-Smeghead,DataSlave and Ipggi for all that Tech. info.
I am certainly learning a lot on this site.
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Old November 19th, 2007, 09:18 AM   #563
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Hey, I was the one that started this thread. Where's my thanks!?

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Old November 19th, 2007, 09:20 AM   #564
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Who the **** are you ?
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Old November 19th, 2007, 01:59 PM   #565
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i think he's some gay guy who goes into morges and stuff, strange.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 12:07 AM   #566
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Hey, I was the one that started this thread. Where's my thanks!?

Well then heres your thankyou-- Seriously though when I think about all this--
76 Kilometers of new double track world standard electrified railway, plus all the bridges- tunnels- stations- Not a bad effort for our little City and all funded and paid for by our State Government.
Just think of the social implications this new line is going to bring about.
From day one thousands of litres of fuel saved- no more traffic stress for commuters who spend hours in their cars just getting to and from work every day. What a different city this is going to be.
Hats off to the Visionaries and Politicans who had the balls to go forward.
And lets not forget that it was not that long ago that a certain Liberal Government closed the Fremantle line and tried to run busses on already crowded roads.
I knew a few old Drivers from back in the Diesel days who would have given their right arm to be present come 23rd December.
So I will be there on opening day with pride-watch the opening ceremony-
And then I will go up Kings Park with a fine bottle of whisky, watch the Trains go over the Narrows and raise my glass to those Old Boys and to those that made it happen. WELL DONE Allanah.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 07:05 AM   #567
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Hey whats all this shit I'm hearing about the new city stations being too small for the number of people already?

Is it just more of the poor reporting from the news networks and the Worst, or is there actually a problem?
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Old November 20th, 2007, 08:26 AM   #568
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thats ridiculous it is ******* huge, the platforms are long as
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Old November 20th, 2007, 08:33 AM   #569
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Good stuff WA. It takes real guts to build brand new, fully functioning, non-half-arsed train lines in Aussie cities, and you've done it with aplomb,
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Old November 20th, 2007, 10:52 AM   #570
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Hey whats all this shit I'm hearing about the new city stations being too small for the number of people already?

Is it just more of the poor reporting from the news networks and the Worst, or is there actually a problem?
They didn't expect for as many people to be using the platforms as there are. The concourse is big enough, just not the actual platforms. Hopefully that'll equate in the Government building us some new underground stations, like in the westend or the Eastend.

Once the actual southern line opens, I hate to see how crowded the station will get. Those northern line already carries hundreds of thousands of people, so with a southern equivalent to it opening, it's going to be like a sardine can down there.

I wonder if Esplanade station is as packed?
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Old November 20th, 2007, 11:34 AM   #571
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Esplanade at the moment is deserted. Will change with the opening of the Mandurah line.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 11:09 PM   #572
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Like any big project as this one- ther will allways be a few problems to sort out.
Once the system is up and running the Transperth will no doubt attempt to sort them out.
Re. crowded platforms ect.- it might be just a matter of tweaking timetables---
OR PERHAPS MAKE KWINANA PASSENGERS RIDE ON THE ROOF.
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Old November 21st, 2007, 01:35 AM   #573
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Guys, the media will report anything negative about this. However history will show it to be visionary and a masterpiece stroke in helping this city to change. This project was so politically charged from the start. The Union's also played their political games and delayed the project. So much for Union's and Labor getting along .

Idiots like the Liberal party member and business man, Willy Packer did great grand standing with this project from the start. Willy Packer made ridiculously distorted claims that were advertised in the West I think, back in 2004. One claim in that advert was that the rail was being built for 45000 people in Mandurah. The facts are that the new southern line services 400,000 people. I remember Willy Packer on the news stating that when the line opens only about 3000 people a day will board at Mandurah. No mention of the other train stops, no mention of the projections.

What will go down in history is idiots like Packer having no clue.
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Old November 21st, 2007, 04:45 AM   #574
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Guys, the media will report anything negative about this. However history will show it to be visionary and a masterpiece stroke in helping this city to change. This project was so politically charged from the start. The Union's also played their political games and delayed the project. So much for Union's and Labor getting along .

Idiots like the Liberal party member and business man, Willy Packer did great grand standing with this project from the start. Willy Packer made ridiculously distorted claims that were advertised in the West I think, back in 2004. One claim in that advert was that the rail was being built for 45000 people in Mandurah. The facts are that the new southern line services 400,000 people. I remember Willy Packer on the news stating that when the line opens only about 3000 people a day will board at Mandurah. No mention of the other train stops, no mention of the projections.

What will go down in history is idiots like Packer having no clue.
WELL SAID-- Perhaps He is one of the Rich Buisnessmen EJACULATING- WANKING AND COMMING IN THEIR SHORTS- over all the new land developments they can sell- Riding on the back of the new line.
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Old November 21st, 2007, 05:36 AM   #575
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I'm usually apolitical when it comes to a political party but the fact is when the Libs were in Power the Fremantle line was closed down and patronage was at 8 million a year. Since 1990 and electrification, patronage is set to increase to 140 million (from memory) a year once the Mandurah line is open. That's quite a turn around and Willy Packer will look you in the eye and say that it's all a big waste of taxpayers money. Yep, he's an idiot.
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Old November 21st, 2007, 07:00 AM   #576
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140 million is total public transport usage but its still a massive improvement on past figures. I think train numbers are predicted to rise from about 35 million to around 50 million in the first full year the mandurah line is operating.

I heard somewhere (completely without proper references) it was the governments aim to get train trips up to about 80 million by 2010-11 (I think that was the date anyway).
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Old November 21st, 2007, 09:58 AM   #577
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Well it would seem a target that could be reached easily. They should do something about making it more affordable for groups to travel. Like we have the family tickets, but what if its a group of 4 adults or something? It should be cheaper for groups to travel, because at the moment its cheaper to drive.
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Old November 21st, 2007, 12:02 PM   #578
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An idea taken from Europe is the one here used by the BVG in Berlin.

As can be seen here for those who are too lazy to go and read:

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"You can travel with one adult and up to three children aged 6 to 13 free of charge on Mondays to Fridays from 20:00 p.m., and all day on Saturdays, Sundays and public holidays."
This is for people who own a monthly pass. It's a darned good idea really as it allows for "family flexibilty" at the weekend and on public holidays. People really would use PT then rather than clogging the roads.
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Old November 21st, 2007, 12:27 PM   #579
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oh we already have that. Family ticket is for 7 people, 2 of which can be adults. But what if you arent a family :p And that ticket works like an all day, so you can go wherever you want.
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Old November 21st, 2007, 01:08 PM   #580
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No, you missed the point. This is just a regular monthly pass for one person, however, it can be used for more than one person at certain hours or on certain days of the week. If you read the website you'd know this. So basically for every monthly pass you buy in each household you're allowed to travel with extra people on times when you're most likely to be socialising (at night or at the weekend).

The reason this works so well is that Germany operates an "honour fare" system in which there are no barriers (but there is a chance for ticket inspections so people generally pay).
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