Would you rather pay a toll to travel Bruce B. Downs?

HARTride 2012 · August 18th, 2007, 12:12 AM

Will the toll toll for Bruce B. Downs users?
Friday, August 17, 2007
Bay News 9

Hillsborough County is looking into whether it should put a toll booth at the Pasco County border to help pay for improvements for Bruce B. Downs Boulevard.

Because so many drivers who use Bruce B. Downs Boulevard are from Pasco County, Hillsborough County asked its northern neighbor to help pay for some improvements to the road, including widening it from four to six lanes.

Pasco County said no, so Hillsborough County's is therefore thinking about the toll booth to fund the project.

Pasco County said it turned down Hillsborough County's request for funding because it doesn't believe it can legally use Pasco County impact fees on Hillsborough County projects.

Most of the drivers from Pasco County Bay News 9 spoke to agreed Pasco County should have to pay to improve Bruce B. Downs near the county border, but they don't want a toll booth.

http://www.baynews9.com/Maps.html?Br...tampa,fl,33647

FlaNatv · August 18th, 2007, 01:28 AM

just think of the amount of money they would waste building a toll plaza.

HARTride 2012 · August 18th, 2007, 01:52 AM

I am certainly opposed to this. I'm sure the county will ask for an outrageous fee too. Just like what is being conjured for the East/West road.

jonknee · August 18th, 2007, 02:19 AM

I think it's a good tactic to get Pasco to cough up some cash. They have been recklessly approving mega communities that depend on BBD without having to pay for any upgrades.

Robert.Maddrey · August 18th, 2007, 03:13 AM

Seems like a perfectly viable option to me, heck it might even help to thwart some of that reckless expansion that jonknee touched on in his post.

JBrisco · August 18th, 2007, 08:11 AM

I can only laugh at this.

TampaTower · August 18th, 2007, 02:52 PM

I wish there was a regional authority that could settle this.

Robert.Maddrey · August 20th, 2007, 06:36 PM

Well, if people were actually active in their city/county goverments we would be on our way to that ends. Unfortunately, as it stands the portion of the population that actually goes to the polls, only does so for presidential elections.

JBrisco · August 21st, 2007, 09:00 PM

Well quite frankly, I'd rather not travel Bruce B. Downs. =)

orlandonative · August 21st, 2007, 09:09 PM

I'd pay a toll here in Orlando so you guys can have some improvements on BBD, that road is horrible.

Jasonhouse · August 22nd, 2007, 05:50 AM

^Don't bother.

The way I see it, the folks up that way have gotten the cheap life they paid for. They sought a cheap house on cheap land in a cheap part of town and that's what they got.

Robert.Maddrey · August 22nd, 2007, 04:12 PM

Not to mention that historically that entire area was part of the natural flood plane. Back when hurricane Donna payed the Bay Area a visit in the 60's it was all submerged. Lord help all those people and our taxes when/if we get another near/hit.

HARTride 2012 · August 22nd, 2007, 04:28 PM

This is the end result of urban sprwal. Goodness gracious something needs to be done to control urban growth in Tampa Bay. Soon BBD will not only be overcrowded (after improvements) but Tampa's urban area will have spread well into Pasco, maybe almost Hernando in 25 years.

randommichael · August 22nd, 2007, 05:32 PM

I think there should be a toll. People in Pasco county work in Tampa and use Tampa's roads. Why not put a toll booth there? They are the reason the road is as bad as it is.

dmpeek77 · August 22nd, 2007, 06:37 PM

When they move.... they take the tax base with them. Why shouldn't they be responsible for paying a toll. Why should I pay the up-keep on a road that was built for them when I live in South Tampa. We should charge 5 dollars each way maybe all those people will think twice about clogging this state in sprawl.

97Roll · August 24th, 2007, 06:17 PM

Do they think that all traffic on BBD travels one way? The point seems to be lost that once all of this new retail is built north of the County line, there will be an influx of trips heading from the Hillsborough side north into Pasco to shop. And I just have to say that the sentiment that just because someone has chosen to live up in that area, they should be penalized by having to live with substandard roads is asinine. This region has become increasingly expensive to live in and for many, suburban areas are the only affordable place to live. The notion that these people should be penalized because they cannot afford to live in South Tampa or other urban areas is completely ridiculous. And this is coming from a resident of south Tampa.

smiley · August 24th, 2007, 07:20 PM

Quote:

When they move.... they take the tax base with them. Why shouldn't they be responsible for paying a toll. Why should I pay the up-keep on a road that was built for them when I live in South Tampa. We should charge 5 dollars each way maybe all those people will think twice about clogging this state in sprawl.

And why should people who do not live in south Tampa pay for roads or strom water drainage there. IF you choose to live where it floods, learn to swim . . .

Typical silly attitude in this area that is the cause of so many problems - to wit, why should people who live in areas where rail transit will not reach pay for it? (which is exactly what the county commissioners say all the time)

dmpeek77 · August 25th, 2007, 12:29 AM

How are you being "penalized" I pay a toll everyday when I get on the crosstown, it is a part of life. Why shouldnt people who use the road help maintain it. If you contribute to sprawl you should have some responsibilty. I dont understand why people want all the comforts of city life and want all the infrastructure right up to thier doorstep but when it comes to paying for it.....

HARTride 2012 · August 26th, 2007, 01:58 AM

Well, then answer this question. If people want the "city life" with "all the infrastructure right up to thier doorstep", then why did people oppose things like the West Crosstown? And I ask this with taking financial burdens out of the equation.

Jasonhouse · August 26th, 2007, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 97Roll

And I just have to say that the sentiment that just because someone has chosen to live up in that area, they should be penalized by having to live with substandard roads is asinine.

I totally agree. They should have everything they need to live a good, high quality lifestyle... And they should pay for the development of their infrastructure, not have it subsidized by the rest of us.

It seems ot me that people move to the sticks, and then promptly expect three things... That nobody else can move near them... That they should be able to travel to the city for work and leisure, and should have sway over what gets built in the city, but that they pay nothing to support the city... And three, that all people everywhere should be taxed to pay for the development of their own infrastructure in the sticks....

August 18th, 2007, 12:12 AM	#1
HARTride 2012 Let's go... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 10,146 Likes (Received): 34	Would you rather pay a toll to travel Bruce B. Downs? Will the toll toll for Bruce B. Downs users? Friday, August 17, 2007 Bay News 9 Hillsborough County is looking into whether it should put a toll booth at the Pasco County border to help pay for improvements for Bruce B. Downs Boulevard. Because so many drivers who use Bruce B. Downs Boulevard are from Pasco County, Hillsborough County asked its northern neighbor to help pay for some improvements to the road, including widening it from four to six lanes. Pasco County said no, so Hillsborough County's is therefore thinking about the toll booth to fund the project. Pasco County said it turned down Hillsborough County's request for funding because it doesn't believe it can legally use Pasco County impact fees on Hillsborough County projects. Most of the drivers from Pasco County Bay News 9 spoke to agreed Pasco County should have to pay to improve Bruce B. Downs near the county border, but they don't want a toll booth. http://www.baynews9.com/Maps.html?Br...tampa,fl,33647

August 18th, 2007, 03:13 AM	#5
Robert.Maddrey Native Floridian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 817 Likes (Received): 0	Seems like a perfectly viable option to me, heck it might even help to thwart some of that reckless expansion that jonknee touched on in his post. __________________ Robert W. Maddrey Editor & Owner Down Shift Magazine >> My Photos of Tampa <<

August 20th, 2007, 06:36 PM	#8
Robert.Maddrey Native Floridian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 817 Likes (Received): 0	Well, if people were actually active in their city/county goverments we would be on our way to that ends. Unfortunately, as it stands the portion of the population that actually goes to the polls, only does so for presidential elections. __________________ Robert W. Maddrey Editor & Owner Down Shift Magazine >> My Photos of Tampa <<

August 22nd, 2007, 04:12 PM	#12
Robert.Maddrey Native Floridian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 817 Likes (Received): 0	Not to mention that historically that entire area was part of the natural flood plane. Back when hurricane Donna payed the Bay Area a visit in the 60's it was all submerged. Lord help all those people and our taxes when/if we get another near/hit. __________________ Robert W. Maddrey Editor & Owner Down Shift Magazine >> My Photos of Tampa <<

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August 18th, 2007, 01:28 AM	#2
FlaNatv Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Orlando then Tampa Posts: 549 Likes (Received): 0	just think of the amount of money they would waste building a toll plaza.

August 18th, 2007, 01:52 AM	#3
HARTride 2012 Let's go... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 10,146 Likes (Received): 34	I am certainly opposed to this. I'm sure the county will ask for an outrageous fee too. Just like what is being conjured for the East/West road.

August 18th, 2007, 02:19 AM	#4
jonknee Downtown resident Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tampa Posts: 2,293 Likes (Received): 0	I think it's a good tactic to get Pasco to cough up some cash. They have been recklessly approving mega communities that depend on BBD without having to pay for any upgrades.

August 18th, 2007, 08:11 AM	#6
JBrisco USF Architecture Student Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tampa, FLA Posts: 1,525 Likes (Received): 0	I can only laugh at this.

August 18th, 2007, 02:52 PM	#7
TampaTower Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 114 Likes (Received): 0	I wish there was a regional authority that could settle this.

August 21st, 2007, 09:00 PM	#9
JBrisco USF Architecture Student Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tampa, FLA Posts: 1,525 Likes (Received): 0	Well quite frankly, I'd rather not travel Bruce B. Downs. =)

August 21st, 2007, 09:09 PM	#10
orlandonative Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 239 Likes (Received): 0	I'd pay a toll here in Orlando so you guys can have some improvements on BBD, that road is horrible.

August 22nd, 2007, 05:50 AM	#11
Jasonhouse Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,317 Likes (Received): 8	^Don't bother. The way I see it, the folks up that way have gotten the cheap life they paid for. They sought a cheap house on cheap land in a cheap part of town and that's what they got.

August 22nd, 2007, 04:28 PM	#13
HARTride 2012 Let's go... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 10,146 Likes (Received): 34	This is the end result of urban sprwal. Goodness gracious something needs to be done to control urban growth in Tampa Bay. Soon BBD will not only be overcrowded (after improvements) but Tampa's urban area will have spread well into Pasco, maybe almost Hernando in 25 years.

August 22nd, 2007, 05:32 PM	#14
randommichael Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,414 Likes (Received): 0	I think there should be a toll. People in Pasco county work in Tampa and use Tampa's roads. Why not put a toll booth there? They are the reason the road is as bad as it is.

August 22nd, 2007, 06:37 PM	#15
dmpeek77 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago also Tampa Bay Posts: 206 Likes (Received): 0	When they move.... they take the tax base with them. Why shouldn't they be responsible for paying a toll. Why should I pay the up-keep on a road that was built for them when I live in South Tampa. We should charge 5 dollars each way maybe all those people will think twice about clogging this state in sprawl.

August 24th, 2007, 06:17 PM	#16
97Roll Tampa, FL Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 143 Likes (Received): 0	Do they think that all traffic on BBD travels one way? The point seems to be lost that once all of this new retail is built north of the County line, there will be an influx of trips heading from the Hillsborough side north into Pasco to shop. And I just have to say that the sentiment that just because someone has chosen to live up in that area, they should be penalized by having to live with substandard roads is asinine. This region has become increasingly expensive to live in and for many, suburban areas are the only affordable place to live. The notion that these people should be penalized because they cannot afford to live in South Tampa or other urban areas is completely ridiculous. And this is coming from a resident of south Tampa.

August 25th, 2007, 12:29 AM	#18
dmpeek77 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago also Tampa Bay Posts: 206 Likes (Received): 0	How are you being "penalized" I pay a toll everyday when I get on the crosstown, it is a part of life. Why shouldnt people who use the road help maintain it. If you contribute to sprawl you should have some responsibilty. I dont understand why people want all the comforts of city life and want all the infrastructure right up to thier doorstep but when it comes to paying for it.....

August 26th, 2007, 01:58 AM	#19
HARTride 2012 Let's go... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 10,146 Likes (Received): 34	Well, then answer this question. If people want the "city life" with "all the infrastructure right up to thier doorstep", then why did people oppose things like the West Crosstown? And I ask this with taking financial burdens out of the equation.