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Old June 23rd, 2010, 01:34 AM   #121
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I hear ya, Amtrak is such a rip off.
When I travel between Boston and NYC I can take Amtrak for $80-$100 ...or take greyhound for $15. O yeah and they take basically the same amount of time.
Question for you, what does Greyhound have to pay to build and maintain the roads compared to what Amtrak currently pays to build and maintain their tracks?
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Old June 23rd, 2010, 01:27 PM   #122
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That is why competitive, profit-driven rail transportation can only be achieved when you segregate and separate track ownership and train operation.
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Old October 13th, 2010, 04:17 AM   #123
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MISC | High Speed Rail Manufacturers

Speedelia, the new Alstom’s AGV


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Speedelia is based on 8 traction systems with 16 engines in motorised bogies, with total power of 10 MW. It is able to reach a commercial speed of 360 km/h. In order to free up a maximum of space for passengers, all the technical equipment has been placed beneath the chassis. The inside area has been optimised for passengers through a large bodyshell and the positioning of the pantographs which allows the same roof height for the entire length of the cars.

This arrangement provides the best ratio in terms of floor area, number of seats (between 600 and 720) and total train length (8 cars, 200 metres). The train will be able to cross all European frontiers: it can be fitted with 3 redundant pantographs of different types (1,500 volts DC, 3,000 volts DC, 15,000 volts AC, 25,000 volts AC) and can integrate 10 different on-board signalling systems. Speedelia targets operators who are looking for very high capacity in countries where networks with wider gauges permit non-articulated train sets.

http://www.transport.alstom.com/home...?languageId=FR

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Old October 13th, 2010, 04:18 AM   #124
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http://www.transport.alstom.com/home...707_162905.pdf
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Old October 13th, 2010, 11:45 AM   #125
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So it's a non-articulated AGV?

Poor name. Really poor.
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Old October 13th, 2010, 12:23 PM   #126
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I agree, the name's... mediocre. But that doesn't really matter as it's only an Alstom brand name, Alstom's customers won't be using this name much in their marketing messages.
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Old October 13th, 2010, 01:05 PM   #127
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So it's a non-articulated AGV?
I suspect it's more a further development of the pendolino's built in Alstom's Italian operations, but with the tilting equipment omitted.
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Old October 13th, 2010, 04:24 PM   #128
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Seems like Alstom wants to get back into the Chinese market, no way is that going to happen after what their CEO said. Also why would the MOR need the "Speedelia" when they've got the Zefiro 380 :P
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Old October 13th, 2010, 05:23 PM   #129
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Seems like Alstom wants to get back into the Chinese market, no way is that going to happen after what their CEO said. Also why would the MOR need the "Speedelia" when they've got the Zefiro 380 :P
Alstom had won a lot of contract in Chinese Metro market,but I can't see any possibility for Speedelia to enter Chinese market
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Old October 13th, 2010, 06:03 PM   #130
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Front side window paint scheme took a hint from the Zefiro.
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Old October 13th, 2010, 08:35 PM   #131
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Alstom had won a lot of contract in Chinese Metro market,but I can't see any possibility for Speedelia to enter Chinese market
Does it have to be Chinese? Alstom has missed out on export markets in a lot of countries by insisting on working articulated. Personally, I agree with their main argument: it IS much safer. The twin problems, as far as I understand, are (1) un-articulated trains can load more passengers, and (2) some very winded old tracks cannot accomodate the "stiff" articulated trains. To the French this is no problem: you solve (1) by buying more trains, and you solve (2) by laying new tracks. Two countries seem to agree, namely Japan and Spain. The rest....?

To this comes the fact that the East Asians are now looking into the issue of wide-bodied highspeed trains. Siemens' prototypes (and some Japanese trains) can be broadened to 2+3 seats in second class. An articulated train, as I have understood it, cannot.

One of the main reasons Alstom lost the Eurostar contract to Siemens was apparently that its AGV has a lower passenger capacity. They have to address this issue FAST. China may be one factor, but only one...

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Old October 14th, 2010, 01:24 AM   #132
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The twin problems, as far as I understand, are (1) un-articulated trains can load more passengers,
How is it that an unarticulated train can transport more passengers than an articulated one? I would asume it to be the oposite, as an articulated train can use the loading gauge more efficiently, as the Talgo Avril demonstrates.
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Old October 14th, 2010, 08:05 AM   #133
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How is it that an unarticulated train can transport more passengers than an articulated one? I would asume it to be the oposite, as an articulated train can use the loading gauge more efficiently, as the Talgo Avril demonstrates.
The truth is, I don't know. This is how it was communicated to me by an SNCF technician, fuming over the fact that the new AGV has a maximum passenger capacity of 700 and the Velaro D close to 900. - Obviously if you make the (unarticulated) train in a broadened version you get more capacity, but that's another story entirely.
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Old October 14th, 2010, 09:41 AM   #134
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The truth is, I don't know. This is how it was communicated to me by an SNCF technician, fuming over the fact that the new AGV has a maximum passenger capacity of 700 and the Velaro D close to 900.
A 200m AGV has more or less the same capacity as a 200m Velaro. The more or less depends on seating configurations and how much comfort you allow your passengers to have, but for the same trainlength the AGV seems to offer a similar cabin length as a Velaro. Ofcourse the AGV needs more sections for that.
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- Obviously if you make the (unarticulated) train in a broadened version you get more capacity, but that's another story entirely.
Indeed, and I believe that in Denmark they have some extreme examples of that.
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Old October 14th, 2010, 10:06 AM   #135
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How is it that an unarticulated train can transport more passengers than an articulated one? I would asume it to be the oposite, as an articulated train can use the loading gauge more efficiently, as the Talgo Avril demonstrates.
The Siemens Velaro pdf from the website explains it. The articulated cars are shorter to fit within the loading guage, yet must have the same toilet and doors.
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Old October 14th, 2010, 07:21 PM   #136
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Looks more beautiful than AGV
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Old October 14th, 2010, 08:38 PM   #137
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I was recently about to copy the Eurostar into a 7 1/4" gauge loco but, now l have seen the velaro, l have changed my mind.

Luckily l had got to the point of having ordered the engine and hydraulics, brakes and vacuum system. This can all be re-used.

I have managed to find a CNC routing co to produce the buck and could have it ready for finishing prior to moulding.

It caught my imagination because of the sleek lines, by being stylish and eye-catching. As l am to market it, this is what catches customers eyes.

It will be driven with a Honda V twin engine, hydrostatic unit, hyd' motors and finally through bevel T gearboxes.

The body will be GRP pre-coloured in the mould to save on spray painting, it's also more durable as a finish.

It will be around 13/14 feet long and be able to pull around 50 passengers.

The colour scheme can be changed to the new E320 being purschased by eurotunnel.
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Old October 15th, 2010, 03:29 AM   #138
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Old October 16th, 2010, 08:45 AM   #139
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Me to I agree, Miss Eurostar ( Economic Travel under water, the stations are correctly placed, easy traslation to station ( gare )

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What is gone to do with these Waterloo Station?
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Old October 16th, 2010, 07:58 PM   #140
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I rode the fastest HSR line in Europe (Paris-Marseilles) last year, at that time it's still the fastest. The ride is rather bumpy, but definitely fast and exciting. I don't think the current gen TGV is as aerodynamic as the Korean KTXII, but it'll all change when AGV is commissioned.
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