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The 'Sauga · August 19th, 2007, 12:43 AM

http://www.ryerson.ca/about/masterplan/

pdf. presentation:

http://www.ryerson.ca/about/masterpl...%20visuals.pdf

***Taller, Better*** · August 19th, 2007, 07:56 AM

The top two looked like they were developed by the same architect that did the Bay St facility. That was a big disapp for one of the finest spaces left near Yonge Dundas.... very weak design.

urban_grace · August 19th, 2007, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Taller, Better

The top two looked like they were developed by the same architect that did the Bay St facility. That was a big disapp for one of the finest spaces left near Yonge Dundas.... very weak design.

The Ryerson Business Building (RBB) on Bay Street was designed by Zeidler Partnership Architects and Queen's Quay Architects International. Neither of which are involved in the above illustrations or the master plan.

But I do agree the exterior of the RBB could have been designed a lot better. The inside was done really well though.

***Taller, Better*** · August 19th, 2007, 03:55 PM

It is a shame, as it was such a high profile site. No offence to Ryerson, but personally I think that piece of land would have been better used for something like a museum, or a gallery. Something for both locals and tourists. And, the RBB is visually disappointing.

xfogus · August 19th, 2007, 09:19 PM

This looks pretty crappy. So there is no more kerr hall, not even the facade, no sam the record man and a huge poster of egerton like some kind of a prophet :P And didnt they say Gould would be a pedestrian only street?

Canuck · August 20th, 2007, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by xfogus

This looks pretty crappy. So there is no more kerr hall, not even the facade, no sam the record man and a huge poster of egerton like some kind of a prophet :P And didnt they say Gould would be a pedestrian only street?

Please note, these are not plans, they are only ideas and possibilities.

Regan4000 · August 20th, 2007, 03:50 AM

YUKKK. I toured Harvard today, that's architecture!

aberrate · August 20th, 2007, 04:06 AM

I like the "gateway" that they've drawn....it's got a great presence yet it feels very airy.

ggaleazz · August 20th, 2007, 04:25 AM

Oh come on! My alma mater could do better. Don't stoop to forcing expropriation of Sams' building.

Ryerson's charm has always been the fact that it was so close to Yonge yet not 'on' Yonge. I really like the idea though of invigorating Gerrard and to some extent the alleyway. I feel that area has the potential to become the real 'heart ' of the campus with more residences and maybe one more building. Leaving the south end as the more 'ceremonial' part of the campus

urban_grace · August 20th, 2007, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ggaleazz

Ryerson's charm has always been the fact that it was so close to Yonge yet not 'on' Yonge.

Not sure what is so charming about that......
Besides, have you walked along Yonge between Gould and Gerrard? It's an absolute disgrace!

noob(but not really) · August 20th, 2007, 06:21 AM

I don't really have a problem with the Bay/Dundas development. It's better than the Atrium on Bay across the street. When you walk along Dundas, it feels like an extension of Y/D square, and it at least has street level retail. Across Bay they are building a condo anyway.

There's plenty of other sites to build a museum on in the area. I really don't understand all the criticism. Sure, it could've looked better. But it's not so bad that you have to be complaining about it all the time.

yin_yang · August 21st, 2007, 03:44 PM

the RB is a really cool building, no doubt about it! only thing that could be possibly controversial is the cladding. but damn, is it ever ryerson's flagship building...so so SO nice!

***Taller, Better*** · August 22nd, 2007, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by urban_grace

Not sure what is so charming about that......
Besides, have you walked along Yonge between Gould and Gerrard? It's an absolute disgrace!

Disgrace? Why? What is wrong with it? Do we want every inch of Yonge Street
gentrified and bleached to within an inch of its life? If we wanted that we would vote in Rudy frkin' Giuliani as our mayor. I happen to like a bit of 'seedy' downtown.

Regan4000 · August 22nd, 2007, 03:09 AM

Taller, you're really losing my respect. I remember asking my dad when he drove me up that stretch of Yonge one night after a Jays game, for the first time when I was 9, 10... "Why are there so many strip clubs?"

Strip clubs aside, it's just a stretch that looks more like Scarborough than Yonge south of Bloor.

Something should be done to get all of those tacky dollar stores out. Or if not out, then at least set up some minimum standards on how to keep your business. It gets better once you get south of College.

It's too bad Bay south of Bloor isn't more commercial, because aesthetically, it really kicks ass.

***Taller, Better*** · August 22nd, 2007, 04:09 AM

Well, I am sorry regan, but I like a downtown to have a bit of edge. Most real
downtowns do have a bit of seediness, and I am concerned that Yonge Street is going to be sterilized as 42nd Street was. Even Boston, as genteel as it is, has a tenderloin district!

Epi · August 22nd, 2007, 04:56 AM

I like that big square building in the middle... looks ridiculously cool! I like how it has a UofT (well British) style quad as well.

noob(but not really) · August 22nd, 2007, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Taller, Better

Well, I am sorry regan, but I like a downtown to have a bit of edge. Most real
downtowns do have a bit of seediness, and I am concerned that Yonge Street is going to be sterilized as 42nd Street was. Even Boston, as genteel as it is, has a tenderloin district!

Look, Taller, you can have that 'edge' in your little red light district that you are so fond of. Just move the strip clubs to the Dundas/Jarvis area. Yonge needs something that doesn't look so out of place. If any street is to be 'sterilized' it should be Yonge. I mean, this is the main street of the city!

I also think Yonge could use some improvement between College and Bloor. I mean, that stretch could be a lot more than it is. It's just 'there' and nothing more. This is YONGE STREET. It needs to be something special!

yin_yang · August 22nd, 2007, 08:35 AM

also it would provide some wider sidewalks along both college-bloor and the gerrard-gould stretches. the lack of space is very annoying.

***Taller, Better*** · August 22nd, 2007, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by noob(but not really)

Look, Taller, you can have that 'edge' in your little red light district that you are so fond of. Just move the strip clubs to the Dundas/Jarvis area. Yonge needs something that doesn't look so out of place. If any street is to be 'sterilized' it should be Yonge. I mean, this is the main street of the city!

I also think Yonge could use some improvement between College and Bloor. I mean, that stretch could be a lot more than it is. It's just 'there' and nothing more. This is YONGE STREET. It needs to be something special!

"you can have that 'edge' in your little red light district that you are so fond of"

I've never lived in a suburb, so guess I just don't understand the need for every square inch to be orderly and scrubbed clean. I don't feel threatened, frightened, or "icky" when I walk down there. I don't want to see all the REAL Yonge Street swept away and completely Disneyfied like they did in New York, and a lot of New Yorkers are now sad at what was done to 42nd Street. I wouldn't want to see it scrubbed, bleached and swept away in Montreal, either. Know what? I think tourists actually like gawking out the window and pointing at the "freaks" and the neon signs. Doubt if it would have the same attraction if it were a series of new GAPS and NIKE superstores.
By the way, I am not sure if I would call this area of Yonge Street a "red light district". Prostitution plays a very small role in this area.

I have no problem with "improvements", or widening of sidewalks. I do have a problem with the city sweeping away what few strip clubs are left. Trust me, they would not be relocating anything....they would just give them the boot.

Mollywood · August 22nd, 2007, 06:21 PM

Yonge St. is a red light district? That is too funny! Anybody who thinks that, obviously doesn't remember Younge St. of the 70's, 80's and 90's, when it was a lot more sleazy. I agree with Taller. I'd like to see some of the dirtier, rundown, ugly buildings replaced but I have no problem with strip clubs like Zanzibar or Remingtons, as I have spent time in both and enjoyed it. lol I wouldn't want to see Yonge Street sanitized and void of any character. It's not a chic shopping street, it's a main commercial/leisure street for everyone. I think the worst part of Yonge St. is just north of the Eaton Centre, to Gerrard, not because of sleaze but due to the terrible shape of the buildings and too many dull dollar stores. What is with the messed up sidewalks, didn't they just replace them recently? Now it's all destroyed. I say fix and clean up the streets, renovate some buildings, fill in a few new developments, get a bit more diversity in retail/entertainment and things will be just fine.

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*Taller, Better* Administrator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 52,742 Likes (Received): 277	The top two looked like they were developed by the same architect that did the Bay St facility. That was a big disapp for one of the finest spaces left near Yonge Dundas.... very weak design. __________________ Please visit my photoblog! Montréal \| Mexico \| Niagara-on-the-Lake \| Brazil \| Hamilton aka "The Hammer"! "Fine words butter no parsnips"-17th Century proverb.

August 19th, 2007, 03:55 PM	#4
*Taller, Better* Administrator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 52,742 Likes (Received): 277	It is a shame, as it was such a high profile site. No offence to Ryerson, but personally I think that piece of land would have been better used for something like a museum, or a gallery. Something for both locals and tourists. And, the RBB is visually disappointing. __________________ Please visit my photoblog! Montréal \| Mexico \| Niagara-on-the-Lake \| Brazil \| Hamilton aka "The Hammer"! "Fine words butter no parsnips"-17th Century proverb.

August 22nd, 2007, 04:09 AM	#15
*Taller, Better* Administrator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 52,742 Likes (Received): 277	Well, I am sorry regan, but I like a downtown to have a bit of edge. Most real downtowns do have a bit of seediness, and I am concerned that Yonge Street is going to be sterilized as 42nd Street was. Even Boston, as genteel as it is, has a tenderloin district! __________________ Please visit my photoblog! Montréal \| Mexico \| Niagara-on-the-Lake \| Brazil \| Hamilton aka "The Hammer"! "Fine words butter no parsnips"-17th Century proverb.

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August 19th, 2007, 09:19 PM	#5
xfogus Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 240 Likes (Received): 0	This looks pretty crappy. So there is no more kerr hall, not even the facade, no sam the record man and a huge poster of egerton like some kind of a prophet :P And didnt they say Gould would be a pedestrian only street?

August 20th, 2007, 03:50 AM	#7
Regan4000 BANNED Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 585 Likes (Received): 0	YUKKK. I toured Harvard today, that's architecture!

August 20th, 2007, 04:06 AM	#8
aberrate Vagabond Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Vancouver/Toronto Posts: 128 Likes (Received): 0	I like the "gateway" that they've drawn....it's got a great presence yet it feels very airy.

August 20th, 2007, 04:25 AM	#9
ggaleazz Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 704 Likes (Received): 0	Oh come on! My alma mater could do better. Don't stoop to forcing expropriation of Sams' building. Ryerson's charm has always been the fact that it was so close to Yonge yet not 'on' Yonge. I really like the idea though of invigorating Gerrard and to some extent the alleyway. I feel that area has the potential to become the real 'heart ' of the campus with more residences and maybe one more building. Leaving the south end as the more 'ceremonial' part of the campus

August 20th, 2007, 06:21 AM	#11
noob(but not really) BANNED Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,591 Likes (Received): 0	I don't really have a problem with the Bay/Dundas development. It's better than the Atrium on Bay across the street. When you walk along Dundas, it feels like an extension of Y/D square, and it at least has street level retail. Across Bay they are building a condo anyway. There's plenty of other sites to build a museum on in the area. I really don't understand all the criticism. Sure, it could've looked better. But it's not so bad that you have to be complaining about it all the time.

August 21st, 2007, 03:44 PM	#12
yin_yang Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,556 Likes (Received): 3	the RB is a really cool building, no doubt about it! only thing that could be possibly controversial is the cladding. but damn, is it ever ryerson's flagship building...so so SO nice!

August 22nd, 2007, 03:09 AM	#14
Regan4000 BANNED Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 585 Likes (Received): 0	Taller, you're really losing my respect. I remember asking my dad when he drove me up that stretch of Yonge one night after a Jays game, for the first time when I was 9, 10... "Why are there so many strip clubs?" Strip clubs aside, it's just a stretch that looks more like Scarborough than Yonge south of Bloor. Something should be done to get all of those tacky dollar stores out. Or if not out, then at least set up some minimum standards on how to keep your business. It gets better once you get south of College. It's too bad Bay south of Bloor isn't more commercial, because aesthetically, it really kicks ass.

August 22nd, 2007, 04:56 AM	#16
Epi Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,574 Likes (Received): 8	I like that big square building in the middle... looks ridiculously cool! I like how it has a UofT (well British) style quad as well.

August 22nd, 2007, 08:35 AM	#18
yin_yang Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,556 Likes (Received): 3	also it would provide some wider sidewalks along both college-bloor and the gerrard-gould stretches. the lack of space is very annoying.

August 22nd, 2007, 06:21 PM	#20
Mollywood Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,015 Likes (Received): 13	Yonge St. is a red light district? That is too funny! Anybody who thinks that, obviously doesn't remember Younge St. of the 70's, 80's and 90's, when it was a lot more sleazy. I agree with Taller. I'd like to see some of the dirtier, rundown, ugly buildings replaced but I have no problem with strip clubs like Zanzibar or Remingtons, as I have spent time in both and enjoyed it. lol I wouldn't want to see Yonge Street sanitized and void of any character. It's not a chic shopping street, it's a main commercial/leisure street for everyone. I think the worst part of Yonge St. is just north of the Eaton Centre, to Gerrard, not because of sleaze but due to the terrible shape of the buildings and too many dull dollar stores. What is with the messed up sidewalks, didn't they just replace them recently? Now it's all destroyed. I say fix and clean up the streets, renovate some buildings, fill in a few new developments, get a bit more diversity in retail/entertainment and things will be just fine.