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Old July 10th, 2009, 02:32 PM   #361
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Some kind of normal dual carriageway... well it's definetely not 1A class road

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Old July 10th, 2009, 07:27 PM   #362
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Well, at least a small section is completed! Just really hope they will mange to build this motorway because it will be highly in need during Euro and afterwards!
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Old July 15th, 2009, 03:37 PM   #363
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Kiev-Odessa



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Old July 15th, 2009, 03:42 PM   #364
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That's bad!

But it seems like the asphalt was just poured on sand... I don't see a good roadbed..
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Old July 15th, 2009, 05:22 PM   #365
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But it seems like the asphalt was just poured on sand... I don't see a good roadbed..
GDP per capita nominal 2008:
NL - 52000$
UA - 4000$

So how can you expect a good roadbed? OK perhaps on this section it didn't work perfectly but on the rest part it must.
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Old July 15th, 2009, 05:27 PM   #366
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So how can you expect a good roadbed?
It's the basic issue of building a road. Otherwise the soil beneath the road will just wash away over the years, creating issues like this. They've learned that the hard way in Belgium.
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Old July 15th, 2009, 05:33 PM   #367
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GDP per capita nominal 2008:
NL - 52000$
UA - 4000$

So how can you expect a good roadbed? OK perhaps on this section it didn't work perfectly but on the rest part it must.
That only means Ukraine is not rich enough to afford construction of crappy roads.
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Old July 15th, 2009, 07:13 PM   #368
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Well we have such saying in Poland 'Poor one can't afford saving'

That might be as well true, crappy roads mean more money spending for rather costy repairs
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Old July 15th, 2009, 07:15 PM   #369
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^Please someone to change the name of this thread - ukraine has no motorways to say nothing of highways!
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Old July 15th, 2009, 08:10 PM   #370
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You can say many bad things but there ARE motorways there

M-03 Kiev-Boryspil
M-18 Kharkiv-Dnipropetrovsk
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Old July 22nd, 2009, 04:11 PM   #371
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New Ring Road Kiev Construction - 5 min video presentation (language-ukrainian).
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Old July 22nd, 2009, 04:46 PM   #372
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I am very sure of that future motorways in Ukrainie will have European level
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But doesn't Kyiv-Odessa highway have a motorway status or it's just an expressway?
Anyway, nice to see some progress on Kyiv bypass construction!
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Old July 22nd, 2009, 05:47 PM   #374
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But doesn't Kyiv-Odessa highway have a motorway status or it's just an expressway?
Anyway, nice to see some progress on Kyiv bypass construction!
Now M-05 Kyiv-Odessa is not Highway

Only M-03 Kyiv-Boryspil and M-18 Kharkiv-Pereschepino-Novomoskovsk (near Dnipropetrovsk)
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Old July 22nd, 2009, 05:58 PM   #375
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I think you mean motorway Highway can be any major road
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I think you mean motorway Highway can be any major road
Hello Chris, of course Motorway, thanks. As for M-05 they planned to build this road as motorway, but problems with financial support and corruption did M-05 as expressway. Some parts of M-05 really looks like Motorway, but only parts...
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Old July 23rd, 2009, 01:21 PM   #377
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In simple words Kiev-Odessa is 2X2 national road
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Yes, a 2x2 at-grade expressway. It's more than a regular main road.
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Old July 23rd, 2009, 01:38 PM   #379
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Well, it doesn't have status of 'doroga dla avtomobili' <expressway> either, still have a status of national road, myabe in future they will upgrade it

And dual carriageway goes also near west of Kharkiv, maybe new future bypass ? Well, some pics comes from there and I think this is not finished road yet

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Old July 23rd, 2009, 04:52 PM   #380
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By 2012 roads to Kharkiv, Donetsk and maybe Lviv will become at least 2x2 expressways, I am sure about that, unfortunately, no more.. But that's quite good for Ukraine because thus directions to all main cities will be high-speed!
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