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Old November 14th, 2011, 11:08 PM   #681
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I liked it. I didn't expect so much for Ukraine (maybe it's my lack of knowledge about it). And I actually figured the argentine and ukrainian routes very similar.
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Old November 15th, 2011, 10:09 AM   #682
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Here are some videos from Ukraine :
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Old November 15th, 2011, 08:38 PM   #683
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Old November 15th, 2011, 11:27 PM   #684
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Good one ! But I think the music on Superkot634's video is more adequate - it wasn't highway TO hell but THROUGH hell

Btw I found the same video on the Ukrainian subforum. This kind of process was highly criticized ...
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"Richtgeschwindigkeit" should be the default system in all EU motorways & expressways & lane indiscipline should be harshly fought! Down with radars on motorways!
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Old November 16th, 2011, 09:38 PM   #685
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Here are some videos from Ukraine :
This is M07. It is supposed to be finished this year all way long from Kiev to Polish border.
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Old November 16th, 2011, 10:36 PM   #686
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What about the M-06 Kyiv-Lviv ? Any news ?

I heard it was already a dual carriageway but it was being upgraded to expressway ...
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Old November 16th, 2011, 10:38 PM   #687
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Not quite.

L'viv - Rivne is mainly 1x2 with some 2x2. Rivne - Kiev is mostly 2x2, especially Zhytomyr - Kiev, which is virtually completely 2x2. No grade-separation, other than some major intersections near large cities. It's not a motorway or expressway. A rather standard 2x2 road like M05.
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Old November 16th, 2011, 11:03 PM   #688
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Can't it be called an expressway then?
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Old November 16th, 2011, 11:09 PM   #689
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If you think an expressway can have left turns, bus stops, zebra crossings, driveway access and intersections, then yes, it can
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Well, definitions of expressway vary, but it's not an ordinary 2-lane road.
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It would be an expressway according to formal American MUTCD definitions. But Ukraine is not America.
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Old November 17th, 2011, 12:21 AM   #692
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Is there an official definition of expressway in Ukraine (and how would it be called in Ukrainian)?
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There is no official definition. There are roads sorted by class. 1st class is the highiest (motorway??), 2nd class is something like 2+2 road without interchanges (??) the lowest is 5th class.
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There are roads sorted by class. 1st class is the highiest (motorway??), 2nd class is something like 2+2 road without interchanges (??) the lowest is 5th class.
I would appreciate it if someone would post one or two examples of roads in each of the five classes.
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As far as I know, the only motorway meeting European standards as such is the one that goes from Kyiv to the Boryspil' airport ... With a 130 km/h speed limit...

But I'd also like to know what an expressway is like for Ukraine. Is it like the Vilnius-Kaunas expressway in Lithuania (with U-turns), like the famous Gierkówka in Poland or like a regular European expressway ?
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Kharkiv - Dnipropetrovsk is also a motorway.
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Old November 18th, 2011, 02:26 AM   #697
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There is no official definition. There are roads sorted by class. 1st class is the highiest (motorway??), 2nd class is something like 2+2 road without interchanges (??) the lowest is 5th class.
Category 1a is a motorway while 1b is a 2+2 road with left-turns, zebra crossings etc.
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Old November 18th, 2011, 04:20 PM   #698
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Polish border - L'viv (E40):



Now that is a real improvement.
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Category 1a is a motorway while 1b is a 2+2 road with left-turns, zebra crossings etc.
Yes, those are construction standards, In Driving rules there is definition of автомагистраль (automagistral'), which is motorway in European standards.

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автомагістраль - автомобільна дорога, початок і кінець якої позначаються дорожніми знаками 5.1 and 5.2

має для кожного напрямку руху окремі проїзні частини, розділені розділювальною смугою, не має перехрещень на одному рівні з іншими дорогами, залізничними і трамвайними коліями, пішохідними чи велосипедними доріжками;
автомагістраль - автомобільна дорога, що:


спеціально побудована і призначена для руху транспортних
засобів, не призначена для в'їзду на прилеглу територію або виїзду
з неї;

має для кожного напрямку руху окремі проїзні частини,
відокремлені одна від іншої розділювальною смугою;

не перетинає на одному рівні інші дороги, залізничні і
трамвайні колії, пішохідні і велосипедні доріжки, шляхи проходу
тварин, має огородження на узбіччях і розділювальній смузі та
обгороджена сіткою;
http://auto.meta.ua/autolaw/pdd_ukr/a1/

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automagistral' is the road that:

specially constructed and designed for traffic means, not intended for entry into the adjoining territory or departure from it;

has for each direction of travel individual carriageway, separated from each other by separation zone;

no at-grade crossings with other railroads and
tram ways, pedestrian and bicycle paths, paths for
animals, has barriers on the side and separation lane and
surrounded by a grid

marked with 5.1


5.2
And there was definition (now I don't find it anymore:) of дорога для автомобілів (road for automobiles in word by word translation), which is marked with
5.3


5.4


But I never saw those signs (5.3 and 5.4) in Ukraine. Main differences of it from motorway (автомагістраль) are:
-left-turns and U-turns are possible
-vehicles with less than 40 km/h of maximum speed are allowed
-cattle pasture near the road is possible
-pedestrian may crosswalk at a specially marked places.
http://auto.meta.ua/autolaw/pdd_ukr/a27/

As for M06, they have started reconstruction on Kiev-Zhytomyr stretch. We know that they are going to construct some interchanges there (especially near Kiev). But what are certain standards they are going to meat is not known. Reconstruction should be finished in 18 months. Hopefully, they will finish pavement prior to Euro.
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Old December 3rd, 2011, 10:24 AM   #700
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