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Old April 12th, 2015, 11:55 PM   #881
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I think there are several areas which are separated by those checkpoints. The inner area is pretty much off limits for almost everybody and the outer zone where people can live and work but a permit is still needed. I believe they are 10 and 30 km from the reactor.
This map shows it: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...E.kDYv5TU4bGNU
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Old April 20th, 2015, 04:15 PM   #882
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Plan of L'viv-Krakoveć motorway

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Old April 22nd, 2015, 03:06 PM   #883
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Plan of L'viv-Krakoveć motorway

That road seems to be really worth it....how about the cost?
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Old April 22nd, 2015, 07:53 PM   #884
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The State pothole road company says it is looking for an investor, so the cost hasn't been announced yet. The road (if built) will be a toll motorway with a concession term of 49 years.
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Old April 22nd, 2015, 08:27 PM   #885
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Which private investor would want to construct such a toll road? I doubt if it would be profitable with a market rate concession. It probably has more chance as a government-operated toll road similar to Croatia. On the other hand, a private investor may get a lower interest rate than the Ukrainian government these days.
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Old April 22nd, 2015, 09:34 PM   #886
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PPP scheme is commonly used in poorer countries to show that authorities are doing everything effectively making nothing and later finishing with bunch of problems. In Poland only quarter of initially planned as paid concession roads were build, in Romania from PPP contract to build whole A3 effectively only 45 km were build and recent PPP contract for Brasov - Campina most probably heads in cancellation again. So I assume that concession motorways in Ukraine will finish the same way and are only a way to show that someone is doing something.
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Old April 22nd, 2015, 10:04 PM   #887
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The first part of A3 in Romania which you are refering to, the Transilvania motorway built by Bechtel, wasn't a PPP project. It was more like a laisser faire design&build, where the builder got to choose its own prices and expropriation corridor for the project, efectively draining the state budget for the highest possible sums they could obtain. But after the thing was ready, they were supposed to go away and never be heard from again...
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Old April 23rd, 2015, 12:31 AM   #888
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Btw, the ground in this whole area is relatively plain, isn't it?
The Carpathians are a little bit more south, I think.....
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Old April 23rd, 2015, 01:36 PM   #889
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Ukraine is entitled to receive a grant from the European Union in the framework of cohesion program.
It is the European corridor E40
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Old April 23rd, 2015, 04:27 PM   #890
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E40 and European routes are not related to the EU. It is the United Nations Economic Commission of Europe (UNECE), headquartered in Geneva, that administeres the E-road system, and being an E-route does not automatically means money from Brussels.
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Old April 23rd, 2015, 06:17 PM   #891
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Btw, the ground in this whole area is relatively plain, isn't it?
The Carpathians are a little bit more south, I think.....
That's right
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OK then.....so, I think that such a road would cost about €400 million, not more.....but IMO, the road would be profitable if further extended to the east (for about 50-100 kilometres).
However, if the first segment (Lviv-Krakovets) is finally built, the extension will be a long term plan.....what do you think?
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Old April 23rd, 2015, 08:49 PM   #893
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Assuming a length of 80 kilometers and € 5 million per kilometer - the construction cost would be around € 400 million. However, that doesn't include financing cost, which is probably quite high due to the uncertain economic situation in Ukraine. It may be double that.
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.....what do you think?
I think. that the construction of this road is necessary.
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Old April 24th, 2015, 02:30 AM   #895
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I think. that the construction of this road is necessary.
Oh yes, I definitely agree on that, as you see!
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Assuming a length of 80 kilometers and € 5 million per kilometer - the construction cost would be around € 400 million. However, that doesn't include financing cost, which is probably quite high due to the uncertain economic situation in Ukraine. It may be double that.
If doubled, that's way too much for the Ukrainian budget, I think.....and that means Ukraine should give up the idea of constructing that road for some time, right?
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Old April 24th, 2015, 07:42 PM   #897
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E40 Lviv - Krakovets

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The State pothole road company says it is looking for an investor, so the cost hasn't been announced yet. The road (if built) will be a toll motorway with a concession term of 49 years.
Construction and maintenance of new automobile road Lviv - Krakovets (Announcement date: 21st of April,2015; Deadline: 15th of May, 2015)

Construction and Operation of a New Lviv – Krakovets Highway: Concession Tender Overview

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- The new 84.4km road of the 1-A category is designed to bypass the population centers of the northern part of area by construction of a bypass road.
- The new highway will connect Ukraine and Poland at the Krakovets border crossing, which has a capacity of 5,000 trucks per day.
- Existing traffic flow: 8,400 cars/day (109.3km)
- Number of lanes: 4
- Lane width: 3.75 m
- Width of subgrade: 27.5m
- Road shoulder width: 3.75m
- Estimated period of construction: 4 years
- Estimated construction speed: 120 KM/year
- Intended potential traffic flow: 14-18,000 vehicles/day
- Concession term: 49 years
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Old April 24th, 2015, 08:46 PM   #898
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I think this stretch is important not only because of the traffic ( as there still gonna be the slow border checking for many years there), but also for the fact it would connect Ukraine into EU by motorway. Some investment could be going to Lviv area considering how much wages differ there comparing to PL or SK. So the overall profit may be greater than just from the cost breakdown/ km. Also politically it would have a lot of meaning, I guess.
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Old April 25th, 2015, 12:49 AM   #899
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I think this stretch is important not only because of the traffic ( as there still gonna be the slow border checking for many years there), but also for the fact it would connect Ukraine into EU by motorway. Some investment could be going to Lviv area considering how much wages differ there comparing to PL or SK. So the overall profit may be greater than just from the cost breakdown/ km. Also politically it would have a lot of meaning, I guess.
This road would of course turn Ukraine into a gateway to Eastern Europe, even if some more work would be required, I think.....
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- Estimated construction speed: 120 KM/year
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