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Old August 26th, 2007, 01:20 AM   #1
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The Original Highrise - The Cathedral

Even before the first steel skyscrapers were constructed in the late 19th century, the world already possessed a large number of tall buildings. Many cathedrals in Europe and around the world have been around since medieval times and continue to be some of the tallest structures in many cities.

Tallest Standing Cathedrals and Churches:

3. Kölner Dom (Cologne, Germany) - 516 feet


2. Basilica of Our Lady of Peace (Yamoussoukro, Ivory Coast) - 518 feet




1. Ulm Münster (Ulm, Germany) - 530 feet
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Ze Germans knew how to build zem tall
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Old August 27th, 2007, 02:16 AM   #3
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St. Peter's Basilica (Rome) - 448 feet

Has room for over 60,000 people





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Even before the first steel skyscrapers were constructed in the late 19th century, the world already possessed a large number of tall buildings. Many cathedrals in Europe and around the world have been around since medieval times and continue to be some of the tallest structures in many cities.

Tallest Standing Cathedrals and Churches:

3. Kölner Dom (Cologne, Germany) - 516 feet


2. Basilica of Our Lady of Peace (Yamoussoukro, Ivory Coast) - 518 feet




1. Ulm Münster (Ulm, Germany) - 530 feet
Actually those buildings were not around for any great lenght of time before the first skyscapers. The two German ones were built in the late nineteen hundreds and the one in the Ivory Coast only a couple of decades ago.
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Old September 2nd, 2007, 07:54 PM   #6
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Actually those buildings were not around for any great lenght of time before the first skyscapers. The two German ones were built in the late nineteen hundreds and the one in the Ivory Coast only a couple of decades ago.
Well, they were finished in the late C19 but started centuries beforehand, so the point about them being the 'original supertalls' remains. According to Wikipedia, this is the list of the 'tallest free-standing structure in the world' title holders by period, since the pyramids:


From: c. 1300
To: 1549
Structure: Lincoln Cathedral, England
Constructed: 1092–1311
Height (m, ft): 160, 525
The central spire was destroyed in a storm in 1549. While the reputed height of 525 ft is doubted by A.F. Kendrick,[3] other sources agree on this height.

From: 1549
To: 1625
Structure: St. Olav's Church, Tallinn, Estonia
Constructed: 1438–1519
Height (m, ft): 159, 522
The spire burnt down after a lightning strike in 1625 and was rebuilt several times. The current height is 123 m

From: 1625
To: 1874
Structure: Strasbourg Cathedral, France
Constructed: 1439
Height (m, ft): 142, 469

From: 1874
To: 1876
Structure: St. Nikolai, Hamburg, Germany
Constructed: 1846–1874
Height (m, ft): 147, 483

From: 1876
To: 1880
Structure: Cathédrale Notre Dame, Rouen, France
Constructed: 1202–1876
Height (m, ft): 151, 495

From: 1880
To: 1884
Structure: Cologne Cathedral, Germany
Constructed: 1248–1880
Height (m, ft): 157, 515

From: 1884
To: 1889
Structure: Washington Monument, United States
Constructed: 1884
Height (m, ft): 169, 555

From: 1889
To: 1930
Structure: Eiffel Tower, Paris, France
Constructed: 1889
Height (m, ft): 300, 986
The addition of a telecommunications tower in the 1950s brought the overall height to 324 m.

From: 1930
To: 1931
Structure: Chrysler Building, New York, United States
Constructed: 1928–1930
Height (m, ft): 319, 1,046

From: 1931
To: 1967
Structure: Empire State Building, New York, United States
Constructed: 1930–1931
Height (m, ft): 381, 1,250

There is a point to be made about the link between organised religion and massive construction projects they encourage. It shows something that is at once both inherently majestic and suppressive of its people. Interestingly, if there had been no strom damage to Lincoln Cathedral in 1549, the alleged height of 525m would have kept it as the world's tallest until 1884.

Arguably this has happened in the same way with rulers and governments (from the pyramids to the Eiffel Tower) to accentualte the power of teh ruler or the state they represent. Only if you're being really anti-capitalistic, you'd argue the same may be true of big business today, but even then it only aggrandises the organisation it represents and maybe suppresses those who depend on it.
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Old September 2nd, 2007, 08:54 PM   #7
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Great post.
Same analysis would be interesting including only residential/commercial (without churches/monuments/government buildings), undestanding sometimes the lines between usages may be somewhat blurred.
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That list completely misses out the Asian pagodas, stupas and dagobas that were once the tallest in the world at some time. Alot of history doesnt take into account there have been many tall pre-skyscraper buildings in Asia too:

Potala Palace is 656 ft high and 1300 ft long, carved into a hollowed out mountain and last rebuilt in the 17th century. Its basically a 13 storey palace sitting on a huge 300 ft stone built base to take the weight. In terms of engineering marvels, the base outshines the palace built onto it.



also the legendary 13 storey Tianning pagoda was restored in 2004 to much acclaim, 510 ft high and dating from 600 AD. It has been destroyed 5x in its 1350 year history. Another pagoda of similar size was the centrepiece of ancient Hangzhou, the eastern counterpart to Rome and her Empire at the time.



Basically they could build so high in those times thanks to the groundbreaking design where the load rests on the central beam (rather like a modern skyscraper's elevator 'core'):

This strong central beam supports the whole building, imbedded in a massive base making it (relatively) earthquake resistant. There are very few accounts over the millennia of pagodas collapsing, they last thousands of years but are mostly destroyed by fire. If the beam splits though then youre in trouble:




another forgotten pagoda, the 162 ft base of the Mingun Stupa in Myanmar (Burma), ravaged by an earthquake. Had it been completed it would have been over 500ft high



similarly the 2300 year old Jetavana Stupa in Sri Lanka was the tallest brick building when it reached over 400ft in the 3rd century BC. The tower/cone part fell off leaving the remaining 231 ft high main chamber. Looks like the worlds biggest dome to me, but hey, its a stupa.



the worlds tallest chedi at Nakhom Pathon in Thailand was complted in 1870, at 420 ft tall


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Old September 16th, 2007, 03:44 AM   #9
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Excellent post!
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Old September 30th, 2007, 10:45 PM   #10
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Cathedral of Our Lady - Antwerp, Belgium



Cathedral of Santiago de Compostela - Galicia, Spain



Basilica di San Marco a Venezia - Venice, Italy

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One of the biggest structures of its era is situated in Hamburg:

St. Nikolai (the biggest building in the entire world from 1874-76)

Before WW2


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another forgotten pagoda, the 162 ft base of the Mingun Stupa in Myanmar (Burma), ravaged by an earthquake. Had it been completed it would have been over 500ft high


Truly amazing.
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St Paul's Chapel is the oldest structure in Manhattan.

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Old October 2nd, 2007, 07:26 PM   #14
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The Kölner Dom is so impressive!
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Old October 3rd, 2007, 01:49 AM   #15
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The Kolner Dom is the only thing that the Allied forces didnt destroy in WWII.
The reason is that the structure was so big and tall, they used it as a land mark to measure where they would drop bombs at.

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Poland:

Poznań:
The Archcathedral Basilica of St. Peter and St. Paul in Poznań is one of the oldest churches in Poland and the oldest Polish cathedral.
The cathedral is the supposed place of the baptism of Mieszko I. Built in the second half of the 10th century, it was raised to the status of a cathedral in 968 when the first missionary, Bishop Jordan, came to Poland.
The cathedral was rebuilt in the Romanesque style, remains of which are visible in the southern tower. In the 14th and 15th centuries, the church was rebuilt in the Gothic style.





Świdnica:
103m
construction began in 1330.




Białystok:

75 m

construction began in1617-1626




Siedlce
1906-1912


Wrocław:
construction began in1244-1272, XIV c., XV c.





św. Marii Magdaleny1232




In Wrocław , Poland, St. Elizabeth's Church (Kościół św. Elżbiety, Sankt Elisabethkirche) was 130 meter high when built. The gothic structure dates back to the 14th century when building was assigned by the city of Breslau. It was destroyed by a heavy hail in 1529 and suffered damage by fire in 1976. During this unfortunate event, the church's renowned organs went up in flames. Its main tower is now only 91 meters high.
St. Elizabeth (XVth century)

Now:



Kraków:
Wawel Cathedral – the Cathedral Basilica of Sts. Stanisław and Vaclav – is Poland's national sanctuary in the city of Kraków. It has a 1,000-year history and was the traditional coronation site of Polish monarchs. It is the cathedral, and thus the mother church, of the Archdiocese of Kraków. Pope John Paul II had considered being buried there.

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Tomb of king Casimir The Great, 14th cent.:


Lodz:
104,5 m
1901-1912




Warsaw

St. John's Cathedral (Polish: Katedra św. Jana) is one of two cathedrals in the city of Warsaw, capital of Poland immediately adjacent to the Jesuits' Church, and one of the oldest churches of that city. Located in Warsaw's Old Town it is one of the Polish national mausolea and the main church of the arch-diocese of Warsaw.
Originally built in 14th century as a Brick Gothic church, it served as a coronation and burial site for numerous Dukes of Masovia. Rebuilt several times, most notably in 19th century, it was preserved until World War II as an example of English Gothic Revival. Levelled by the Wehrmacht during the Warsaw Uprising of 1944, it was rebuilt after the war.
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15th cent.:

18th cent.:

19th cent:

1930th:


After World War II:


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Gniezno:

The Gniezno Cathedral (Polish: Katedra Gnieźnieńska) is a Gothic cathedral in Gniezno, Poland. The Cathedral is known for its twelfth-century (ca. 1175), two-winged bronze doors decorated with scenes of martyrdom of St. Wojciech and a silver relic coffin of that saint.
1342-1390



Plock:
he Masovian Blessed Virgin Mary Cathedral in Płock
is one of the most valuable representatives of romanesque architecture in Europe. The bishopric in Płock was founded about 1075. Romanesque cathedral built after 1129 by prince Bolesław III and bishop Aleksander of Malonne consecrated 1144 as Blessed Virgin Mary Church. In the cathedral there are tombs of two Polish rulers Władysław I Herman and Bolesław III Wrymouth. After a great fire in 1530, a new Renaissance temple have been built (1531 - 1535) on the same place, reusing granite ashlar from Romanesque basilica.




Gdansk:
74,8 m
St. Mary's Church (Polish: Bazylika Mariacka, German: Marienkirche) or, properly, Basilica of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary in Gdańsk is the largest brick church in the world, and one of the largest Brick Gothic buildings in Europe. It is 105.5 m long, and the nave is 66 m wide. Inside the church is room for 25,000 people. It is an aisled hall church with a transept.
In 1379 a masonry master Henryk Ungeradin with his team started construction work on the present church. By 1447 the eastern part of the church was finished, and the tower was raised by two floors in the years 1452-1466.
Since 1485 the works were carried over by Hans Brandt, who supervised the erection of the main nave core. The works were finally finished after 1496 under Heinrich Haetzl, who supervised the construction of the vaulting.


Elblag:
96m.
XIII cent.

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Trinity Church is probably the second oldest church in Manhattan after St Paul's Chapel and is even more polific.

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St. Paul's Chapel was Built/Founded: 1764
Trinity Church Built/Founded: 1846
The first Trinity Church building, a modest rectangular structure with a gambrel roof and small porch, was constructed in 1698.
The church was destroyed in the Great New York City Fire of 1776 following the capture of the city by the British in the Battle of Long Island.
Construction on the second Trinity Church building began in 1788; it was consecrated in 1790. The structure was torn down after being weakened by severe snows during the winter of 1838–39.
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fantastic thread, i love tall churches...though i'm not a christ or anything else .

another great shot of the ulmer münster i think:

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St. Paul's Chapel was Built/Founded: 1764
Trinity Church Built/Founded: 1846
The first Trinity Church building, a modest rectangular structure with a gambrel roof and small porch, was constructed in 1698.
The church was destroyed in the Great New York City Fire of 1776 following the capture of the city by the British in the Battle of Long Island.
Construction on the second Trinity Church building began in 1788; it was consecrated in 1790. The structure was torn down after being weakened by severe snows during the winter of 1838–39.
Trinity Church would have been older but a fire destroyed the original, which lead to the building of the present day church we see today.
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