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Old September 15th, 2007, 12:06 PM   #21
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That's near to Michelstown what an ugly place!
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Old September 15th, 2007, 01:04 PM   #22
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What's up with the weird font they use for Gaelic? It seems quite hard to read, at least for me. Is it some sort of standard for writing in Gaelic?
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Old September 15th, 2007, 07:44 PM   #23
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What's up with the weird font they use for Gaelic? It seems quite hard to read, at least for me. Is it some sort of standard for writing in Gaelic?
The typeface is a modified version of the Transport typeface from the UK. The altered letterforms might have something to do with Gaelic script, but you'd probably have to ask someone who has studied Gaelic.

It appears that real Gaelic script is used on some signs in the Gaeltacht (designated Irish-speaking areas) but not others.
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Old September 21st, 2007, 01:23 AM   #24
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This post deleted in protest against politically biased moderation.

Keep politics out of the roads forum.

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Old September 21st, 2007, 09:05 AM   #25
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Is the Gaelic language/dialect (?) still common to use in parts of the UK and Ireland?
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Old September 21st, 2007, 01:09 PM   #26
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It became an official language of the EU on 1 January 2007. Also it's co-official with English in Ireland, and it is the primary language in regions that together are called Gaeltacht, where it is the primary language spoken at home.
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Old September 22nd, 2007, 03:29 AM   #27
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Ireland has an enormous motorway building program under way. Its impossible to overstate just how much motorway is under construction or about to begin unless you actually visit or live here. Whilst Dublin is getting most motorways all the major interurban routes will be motorway in the next few years. Thankfully its not being done at the expense of Public transport but it is a little unbalanced.


www.sabre-roads.org.uk/forum - you can dig up loads here on Irelands expanding network. Dublin Port Tunnel and M50 upgrade scheme (www.m50.ie) are well worth a look at. Video of recently opened M50 port tunnel (5km long m-way tunnel)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7QSd_AJfIk

Thats just a small example - Other ambitious projects include an outer orbital motorway for Dublin - some 70km from the city center. An Eastern side to the M50 motorway which will include a major tunnel under Dublin bay.

The National Roads Authority is the agency that is delivering the roads network for the state www.nra.ie

Most motorways under construction are radiating from Dublin:

M1
M3
M4
M7
M9
M11

Others like the M8 and M6 radiate from the other smaller cities (but head toward Dublin!).......so a slight imbalance there I think!

Road signage in Ireland and road markings are an interesting hybrid of American, UK and Continental mix. Yellow 'New World' signage is used on all roads. HS is denoted by a yellow line etc etc.

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Old September 22nd, 2007, 07:46 AM   #28
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Unfortunally, nothing is being done to really make crossing the border from northern ireland into the republic any easier, 2 lane roads all from belfast to ****. INsane.

i got family in ****, love that place man.
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Old September 23rd, 2007, 01:56 AM   #29
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Unfortunally, nothing is being done to really make crossing the border from northern ireland into the republic any easier, 2 lane roads all from belfast to ****.
While new roads in the North are not being constructed at the same pace as in the South, this is a simplification. From Belfast towards Donegal you would use the M2 motorway for the first 50km or so, perhaps you were coming from Belfast airport rather than the city. The new motorway standard cross border section of the Belfast Dublin is real progress and the Irish government have agreed to help fund routes in the North.
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Old September 23rd, 2007, 09:44 AM   #30
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Is the Gaelic language/dialect (?) still common to use in parts of the UK and Ireland?
Can't speak for Ireland but some areas in Scotland, especially the Western Isles, Gaelic is spoken by the majority of the people.

The local language takes precedence over English when it comes to road signs. An example from South Uist...

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Old October 1st, 2007, 10:27 PM   #32
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Irelands roads are currently undergoing a massive program of improvement. However, there are still massive sections that are the absolute pits.

For those that dont know, the main cities being linked (north/south issues aside) are Dublin to Belfast, Cork, Galway, Limerick and Waterford. The government aim to have dual carriageway between Dublin and these by 2010, although its looking unlikely that they'll make that deadline.

Major bottlenecks exist on these major routes, and large sections are windy S2 with no hard shoulder and little overtaking opportunities.

I posted all this on Sabre awhile back, but if you travel between Cork and Galway (through Limerick) along the N20 and N18 roads respectively, you have an interesting time. This trip can take anything between 3 and 5 hours depending on traffic (and which bottleneck you hit at rush hour).

Take a look at these pics (linked) and bear in mind that this route will not be entirely DC until 2015, at a guess.
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For anyone who wants to drive a very varied journey, travel from Cork - Limerick (N20) and then Limerick - Galway (N18). In this order there are -

DC, WS2, 2+1, WS2, S2, rubbish S2, S2, WS2, DC, S2, DC, S2, DC.

Heres 108 pics.

Part 1 - Cork - Limerick. Look at these pictures bearing in mind this is an interurban road carrying ~15k cars per day. All due to be upgraded to DC post 2010. It needs it, some sections are terrible with no hope of overtaking and no hard shoulders. The 2+1, Buttevant and Charleville are frequently badly jammed.


Leaving Cork on the N20 -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5700.jpg

On a short (few miles) bit of D2 -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5701.jpg

Wide S2 at the end of the DC -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5702.jpg

Some reasonable S2. This area is all due for a retrofitting of DC post 2010, the cuttings are already there. -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5703.jpg

S2 again. The retrofit will end somewhere near here and DC will go offline as part of the Blarney - Mallow scheme -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5704.jpg

Travelling through Rathduf (damn truck) -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5705.jpg

On the 2+1, most has no hard shoulder. This is one of the '2' bits -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5706.jpg

2+1, one of the '1' bits. If that lorry breaks down we're screwed.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5707.jpg

Beyond the 2+1 the road turns to S2 again on the approach to Mallow -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5708.jpg

Approaching Mallow, a 60kmh speed limit :o
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5709.jpg

Roundabout in Mallow.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5710.jpg

Just north of Mallow we came to a halt as someone was failing miserably to come out of a petrol station -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5711.jpg

Newtwopothouse Village. The Blarney-Mallow scheme will terminate slightly north of here, and the second DC scheme, Mallow - Croom will begin. The latter is urgently needed.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5712.jpg

The road goes to pot outside Newtwopothouse, as we approach Buttevant. Some of the worst N road in the country -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5713.jpg

Its barely narrow enough to let two lorries pass, and needs tarring -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5714.jpg

I dare anyone to overtake -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5715.jpg

Ditto. Hard to take pics with that damn lorry -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5716.jpg

More -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5717.jpg

Passing Buttevant quarry and about to come into the town -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5718.jpg

Entering Buttevant -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5719.jpg
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Centre of Buttevant. Massive pipe laying going on there meaning utter chaos at the best of times -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5720.jpg

Leaving Buttevant - distance indicator -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5721.jpg

Random slow driver causes a convoy in the S2 -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5722.jpg

BRAKE LIGHTS -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5723.jpg

Road to Charleville descends into more dreadful S2 with no hard shoulder -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5724.jpg

Centre of Charleville. Plenty of jams here at rush hour -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5725.jpg

Other side of Charleville -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5726.jpg

The road from Charleville to Croom is straight, but no hard shoulder. You can overtake, but its dodgy -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5727.jpg

More of the same -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5728.jpg

Roadworks on this road cause plenty of delays, we missed them -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5729.jpg

More -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5730.jpg

Lorry nearly ends up in the ditch avoiding the bollards -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5731.jpg

Large areas of no overtaking abound -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5733.jpg

Beginning of the Croom bypass, GSJ S2 -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5734.jpg

The widest WS2 you will EVER see. Its HUGE. Due to be dualled. Its almost wide enough. Look how small the lorry is compared with the lanes -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5735.jpg

Everyone overtakes like crazy here, after being stuck behind tractors -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5736.jpg

Coming to the end of the bypass -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5737.jpg

Turnoff to Limerick is on the other side of this bridge (the N20 is a TOTSO) -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5738.jpg

On the Adare - Limerick DC, about 5 miles of DC here, (Totso to N20, which is ludicrous) -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5739.jpg

Approaching Limerick on the DC -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5740.jpg

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Old October 1st, 2007, 10:32 PM   #36
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Just after the Galway turnoff on the N20. Not sure of the name of this -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5741.jpg

The nice road quickly descends into roundabouts and a dump -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5742.jpg

More roundabouts -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5743.jpg

More -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5744.jpg

Bit of S2 here -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5745.jpg

Bridge where the Limerick South Ring Phase 2 will finally provide a bypass -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5746.jpg

Closer to Limerick centre -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5747.jpg

Up the dock road -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5748.jpg


Part 2 - Limerick to Galway

All this is on the N18, which is slowly being upgraded to DC. Fair way to go yet. Its DC from Limerick to beyond Ennis, but two more schemes (Crusheen-Gort and Gort-Oranmore) will bring DC there around 2011.

Shannon Bridge in Limerick -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5749.jpg

Various relief roads that are a nightmare in rush hour -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5750.jpg

Amazing signpost -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5751.jpg

More roundabouts -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5752.jpg

Approaching a new roundabout, built as part of the non-mainline SRR works -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5753.jpg

DC begins! -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5754.jpg

No its not a low bridge, just a hill -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5755.jpg

Newmarket on Fergus bypass -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5756.jpg

Really moving now! -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5757.jpg

Interesting cutting and infill work just after Newmarket on Fergus -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5758.jpg

Start of recently opened (Jan/Feb 07) Ennis bypass. Good luck reading the orange sign at 60mph -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5759.jpg

Its only open for 6 months but already the paint is disappearing... -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5760.jpg

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Heres some more -

Intermediate ADS on the Ennis bypass. The priority was the N18 mainline (quite rightly, given 40 minutes to get through Ennis in the old days) with all the intermediate junctions and connectors ignored. Though the project has been delayed by the lousy summer -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5761.jpg

Another ADS - one of the new style 'half-gantries' which I quite like -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5762.jpg

Ennis bypass again -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5763.jpg

Tis a fine stretch of road. Even though its officially 'standard dual carriageway' by the looks of it it should take 120kmh motorway -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5764.jpg

Nearing the end. I guess the weird hatched space is to prevent crossovers given the curvature??? -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5765.jpg

Fast lane disappears Country road awaits -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5766.jpg

The camera zoon makes it look sharper than it is But its very bumpy -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5767.jpg

Everything slows down -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5768.jpg

Hard shoulder disappears a few km further along -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5769.jpg

I love it... its crazy that you do ~40km on nice DC then get unceremoniously dumped onto this. Its honestly scary being on a big bus with a big lorry coming the other way. It literally is hit the trees (which usually aren't cut back) or hit the big lorry - http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5770.jpg

I've been stuck in traffic due to an accident (or bridge strike) here. It worries me that if both directions are stopped, there isnt anything like enough physical space to fit an ambulance, firetruck or police through -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5771.jpg

Crusheen - right turn under the bridge. This is constantly getting struck. Anyone think the Ennis bypass should have bypassed Crusheen too for safety reasons? Still a year before the bypass for this starts construction -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5772.jpg

Bit of S2 further on -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5773.jpg

No overtaking again -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5774.jpg

No overtaking and no hard shoulder AGAIN -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5775.jpg

FARMER GILES causes a tailback -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5776.jpg

Stupid right turn and an idiot motorbike passing along here. Nearly hit us -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5777.jpg

Somewhat straight section -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5778.jpg

With the amount of HGV traffic this is a disgrace -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5779.jpg

Approach to Gort, the new bottleneck -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5780.jpg
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Heres another handful -

Middle of Gort - Look at the state of the place -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5781.jpg

Nice jamup thanks to someone parking -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5782.jpg

This is what causes the problems, the town square and this narrow pinch point going downhill -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5783.jpg

And big lorries -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5784.jpg

Leaving Gort you have a tight left hand bend. Its here that the Crusheen - Gort section will join with the current road. IMO the junction is WAY too close to Gort. It more or less touches the town. Should be ~100m further away I think -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5785.jpg

We actually get hard shoulders for a bit -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5786.jpg

And some fools! -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5787.jpg

Reasonably straight bit -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5788.jpg

Large sections of 'Do not overtake' -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5789.jpg

Another tractor. At least its possible to pass them here -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5790.jpg

Jamup in Ardrahan. Was strange, only thing that could happen was the level crossing closed, as the jam was both ways. But there are no trains on it? -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5791.jpg

A bit further on -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5792.jpg

We lose the hard shoulder and gain more warning signs -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5793.jpg

The road here is adequate. Although not DC, its straight enough and you can pass -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5794.jpg

Approaching Clarinbridge -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5795.jpg

In Clarinbridge. A little town that causes mighty jamups southbound in the evenings -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5796.jpg

Theres no reason for the jams either. No obvious turning/lights/narrow bit. -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5797.jpg

Exit from Clarinbridge is a bit of a mess -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5798.jpg

North of Clarinbridge the road is reasonable -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5799.jpg

Approaching the N18/N6 merge at the first roundabout in Galway -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5800.jpg

The N18 and N6 (from Dublin) approaches are always jammed. Note the fool wandering around -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...IMG_5801-1.jpg

The N6 continues as some DC (with 7 or 8 roundabouts) westbound as a crude relief road. Theres due to be a proper bypass built soon -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5802.jpg

What an amazing bit of illegal driving. He cant even see what he's towing -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5803.jpg

Its good enough DC, its just the roundabouts are always jammed -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5804.jpg

Approaching the turnoff we took for Galway east -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5805.jpg

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In Galway we found this very strange bit of graffiti -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5806.jpg

And can someone tell me (a) what this sign means, and (b) is it in the TSM? -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...0/IMG_5808.jpg


So thats that. Cork - Galway trip. Hope ye enjoyed
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Great thanks for sharing.
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While I think of it.

One of the biggest fights in Ireland thesedays is speed limits.

Motorways are 120kmh.
High Quality Dual Carriageways (Motorways in everything but name, legal issues and to please farmers) 100kmh.
Standard Dual Carriageways 100kmh

Roads Bill 2007 allows direct reclassification of HQDC to motorway, but none have been done yet.

Other general speed limits, 80, 60kmh.

However, with the S2 100kmh national roads, the roads authority took a direct decision to mark most/all of the small roads that come off it as 80kmh. So you end up with tiny boreens with ludicrous speed limits.

One example I saw was up in Galway, where an 80kmh speed limit existed on a road that was barely wide enough for a car and ended 200m after the sign.

This tongue in cheek article sums it up.

http://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com...rticle&sid=634

There are HUNDREDS of examples of this farce in Ireland, and there are always big forum fights about "Drive to the conditions, not the limits" vs "The limit should reflect road conditions, it should not be a target"
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