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Old February 12th, 2010, 12:12 PM   #541
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Yeah, Newry is in UK though
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Old February 12th, 2010, 12:37 PM   #542
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Isn't that in Northern Ireland? (a.k.a. United Kingdom)?



It is indeed in the UK; just over the border. It's also on the island of Ireland, which makes it an Irish road as well as a British road, depending on who is using it I guess. (The complexities of Ireland)

People in Northern Ireland identify as both British (majority) and Irish (significant minority.)
The people of NI, and the governments of the UK and Ireland fully recognise and respect the right of citizens in Northern Ireland to personally identify as either British or Irish citizens, even though the region remains distinctly within the United Kingdom.

I think the poster, by placing the photos in both the Irish and UK thread, was being rightly considerate of the political divide in Northern Ireland.

Now, this isn't a political thread, so back to roads!
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Old February 12th, 2010, 02:41 PM   #543
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Exactly
This is an important route between Dublin and Belfast, two large capitals, and should also be the thread of Irish roads
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Old February 12th, 2010, 02:44 PM   #544
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Quality 'A' road that basically looks just like a motorway, hard shoulder and all (begs the question why they don't just call it the Ax(M).
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Old February 12th, 2010, 04:52 PM   #545
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This is an important route between Dublin and Belfast, two large capitals, and should also be the thread of Irish roads
Roads are located in places and are not political entities. There should simply be a British thread and an Irish one. If this is not a political forum then geographic rather than political units should be used.

This is an important route between Dublin and Belfast, the two large cities in Ireland and should only be the thread of Irish roads.

It is sad that people from other counties, with their own histories of division and occupation, are so happy to divide Ireland in this forum.
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Old February 12th, 2010, 05:20 PM   #546
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Isn't that in Northern Ireland? (a.k.a. United Kingdom)?
Its a disputed territory because it was land illegally taken off Ireland by settlers loyal to a foreign legion. Its really Ireland, but theres a growing number of people moving up there from the republic and maybe that will pave the way for a successful referendum on re-gaining sovereignty over the 6 counties.
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Old February 12th, 2010, 05:24 PM   #547
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Exactly
This is an important route between Dublin and Belfast, two large capitals, and should also be the thread of Irish roads
Exactly.
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Old February 13th, 2010, 05:59 AM   #548
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Isn't that in Northern Ireland? (a.k.a. United Kingdom)?
ooooohhhh controversial.
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Old February 13th, 2010, 01:47 PM   #549
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There's no controversy about Northern Ireland being part of the UK. It isn't disputed by the Republic of Ireland OR the UK.

As of this moment in time, Northern Ireland IS part of the UK. No ifs or buts or wrongs or rights. It IS.

The controversy is over whether it should be or not, and whether it should cede from the UK and join with the Republic or stay within the UK. This is what people debate and where the trouble comes from.
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Old February 13th, 2010, 02:50 PM   #550
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ooooohhhh controversial.
Nothing contoversial it's part of the UK. I dont think many give a toss anymore either. It grand the way things are once both governments keep the small number of idiots causing trouble locked behind bars.

But I do agree that the Newry bypass should be in this forum as it's an important part of the Irish road network in the island overall to have the two largest cities linked by motorway/dual carriageway.
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Old February 13th, 2010, 03:17 PM   #551
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There's no controversy about Northern Ireland being part of the UK. It isn't disputed by the Republic of Ireland OR the UK.

As of this moment in time, Northern Ireland IS part of the UK. No ifs or buts or wrongs or rights. It IS.

The controversy is over whether it should be or not, and whether it should cede from the UK and join with the Republic or stay within the UK. This is what people debate and where the trouble comes from.
The problem is that the land was once a part of Ireland. It was taken over and the local population was virtually replaced by outsiders who wanted 'free' land - at the expense of the local people. This was (and is still is) bitterly contested. The population in favor of remaining a part of the UK comprises those people who settled on the land, but not the actual natives who had their land confiscated.
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The problem is that the land was once a part of Ireland. It was taken over and the local population was virtually replaced by outsiders who wanted 'free' land - at the expense of the local people. This was (and is still is) bitterly contested. The population in favor of remaining a part of the UK comprises those people who settled on the land, but not the actual natives who had their land confiscated.
I know that, but that's the way it is all over the world. What about the natives in N America? What about Australia? We could even go further back in history and say that England was taken over and all the natives displaced and subdued by the french...

More recently, looks how many countries lost land and had people displaced in two world wars.

It's one of those things that happened in history and we can't keep pointing back to it and saying this, that etc. It's a fruitless exercise.

We just have to accept that this is the way they are now in this time, and work with that accordingly.

My hope for the future is that there won't even be such a thing as a country! They're completely artificial things made up by humans who like to draw lines on maps.
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Ultimately, it's up to the people of NI whether they want to keep the status quo, leave the UK and unify with the Republic, or even strive for their own independence.
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Final layout at the N3/M50 junction under construction which will be in place by the end of the year. The right hand side is outbound.
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Old February 14th, 2010, 12:17 AM   #555
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Wow that's an unusual shape...
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It has to be unusual. It is a very high junction with a canal, railway and gas pipeline through the middle. This means they cannot just be changed.
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Ultimately, it's up to the people of NI whether they want to keep the status quo, leave the UK and unify with the Republic, or even strive for their own independence.
But thats the essence of this whole problem; the majority of those 'people' whom you mention happen to be made up of those who originally settled on the land (with no legitimate rights to it) - Similar to the Jewish settlers on the Palestinian land. Therefore, its wrong to automatically assume that the 'majority' of the NI population want to remain a part of the UK, without taking this into account.
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But thats the essence of this whole problem; the majority of those 'people' whom you mention happen to be made up of those who originally settled on the land (with no legitimate rights to it) - Similar to the Jewish settlers on the Palestinian land. Therefore, its wrong to automatically assume that the 'majority' of the NI population want to remain a part of the UK, without taking this into account.

We will see how "loyal" they are when the UK has to make savage cuts in public spending, which the North relys on, which will happen in the next 12 months.
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It has to be unusual. It is a very high junction with a canal, railway and gas pipeline through the middle. This means they cannot just be changed.
Also, corrupt planning law let people build stuff right up to the very edges of the interchange, with little to no scope for a junction upgrade. Hence the really strange layout.
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Final layout at the N3/M50 junction under construction which will be in place by the end of the year. The right hand side is outbound.
Am I correct that it won't be total free flow junction? Or did I miss something?
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