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Old August 7th, 2011, 11:24 PM   #981
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This would have been a better sign for Ireland to adopt:

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Old August 7th, 2011, 11:37 PM   #982
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I still don't understand what so hideous with the Irish sign. And most people from other European countries can understand they should not drive at a road with this sign.

But maybe the Irish version is older than the version we have in rest of Europe?

When did Ireland start to use this one?



When dit the rest of Europe start to use this one?

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Old August 8th, 2011, 01:18 AM   #983
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This would have been a better sign for Ireland to adopt:

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Speaking of hideous.
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Old August 8th, 2011, 02:13 AM   #984
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I still don't understand what so hideous with the Irish sign. And most people from other European countries can understand they should not drive at a road with this sign.

But maybe the Irish version is older than the version we have in rest of Europe?

When did Ireland start to use this one?

When dit the rest of Europe start to use this one?
At the invention of one-way roads I guess
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Old August 8th, 2011, 01:14 PM   #985
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Here is another special sign for Ireland. Compare:

Ireland:



Rest of Europe:



I do not know which one is the best.
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Old August 8th, 2011, 09:19 PM   #986
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Apart from just being aesthetically unpleasing, if I were to encounter that sign (I didn't even know it existed until someone posted it here) it would take me a few headscratching seconds to figure out what it means, and even then it'd just be a guess.

And it is important that people understand unambiguously what this sign means. Driving the wrong way down a one way street could cause a serious accident.



Same thing with this sign. I know what the latter means, the first I could only guess. I know now that they (probably) mean the same, but only because you posted them together.
I think that they are both pretty obvious
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Old August 8th, 2011, 10:52 PM   #987
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Both no overtaking signs are pretty obvious. I don't know how someone could understand the European one and not the Irish one, if anything the Irish one is easier to understand.

Even though I referred to the No Entry sign as 'hideous', it does work, I haven't heard of anyone driving the wrong way down a one way street because of the sign!
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Old August 8th, 2011, 10:53 PM   #988
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Here is another special sign for Ireland. Compare:

Ireland:



Rest of Europe:



I do not know which one is the best.
On the rest of Europe picture these cars are obviously driving away from you. On that Ireland picture, they are either coming towards you, which means you should run, or they are both right-hand drives.
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Old August 11th, 2011, 08:01 PM   #989
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Like the no overtaking sign, many existing road signs have not been officially adopted in Ireland. In consequence, the design of these signs is not uniformized.
For example, on some signs, (series of curves, falling rocks crosswinds) the form of the symbol can have differents designs and the angle of the red line on prohibition signs is sometimes aleatory
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Old August 12th, 2011, 01:06 PM   #990
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Here is another special sign for Ireland. Compare:

Ireland:

Rest of Europe:

I do not know which one is the best.
There's one mistake: On the rest of Europe we drive on the right, so red and black cars should be swapped.
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Old August 12th, 2011, 01:36 PM   #991
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There's one mistake: On the rest of Europe we drive on the right, so red and black cars should be swapped.
So the UK isn't Europe? Malta? Cyprus? (OK, Cyprus is Asian, but it's in the EU, so it's geographically Europe according to them).

And anyway, it makes sense to have the signs directly comparable by having both drive-on-left.

In the UK, when they were bringing in the new standard signs, there were discussions as to whether that No Overtaking sign was clear enough and whether it needed a line through it. The off-centre line didn't help as it looked wrong. For No Cycling and No Pedestrians, etc there are fairly vocal campaigns to add the red bar, as these signs have the least recognition as to what they mean and many people think it's saying the opposite of what it's saying.

The Irish 'No Parking' sign is better IMV than the crossed out blue, as it's intuitive as to what it is. As for the whole 'letter P' is English only, the parking sign in England is a white P in a blue rectangle.
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Old August 12th, 2011, 03:51 PM   #992
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The parking sign in the rest of Europe is a P ina blue square like in the UK, I think, at least it is in Portugal.

Anyway, I don't have an issue with Irish signage, the old no entry sign even makes more sense, and the no overtaking sign probably does to
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Old August 12th, 2011, 08:13 PM   #993
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The parking sign in the rest of Europe is a P ina blue square like in the UK, I think, at least it is in Portugal.

Anyway, I don't have an issue with Irish signage, the old no entry sign even makes more sense, and the no overtaking sign probably does to
The parking sign looks like this in all European countries, and thats means for example Ireland, Portugal, Germany, the UK, France, Sweden and Spain for example.



The different sign is the no parking sign.

In Ireland they look like this.



In rest of Europe they look like this, compare.



I think the Irish version is better. It is more logic with a P in the sign.

And another funny thing is the no stopping sign.

In Ireland they look like this.



In rest of Europe they look like this.



I think the no stopping sign in Ireland are quite similar to the signs in rest of Europe. But I dont know if someone from other countries can missunderstand it?
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Old August 12th, 2011, 08:42 PM   #994
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In Indonesia, they use S in a circle with a line through it for "no stopping". Their word for stopping doesn't start with S. It's less intuitive than the parking thing though as S isn't as linked with stopping as P is to parking.
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Old August 13th, 2011, 12:32 AM   #995
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Like in South Africa I think

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The parking sign looks like this in all European countries, and thats means for example Ireland, Portugal, Germany, the UK, France, Sweden and Spain for example.

In Ireland they have one like their no parking sign but without the line

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When I was little, i.e not very long ago, (say I was 6 10-11 years ago (, I can remember seeing no entry signs in the UK with "no entry" written on the white stripe, which I haven't seen in a long time , like this:

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Old August 13th, 2011, 01:41 AM   #996
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The text inside the old UK-sign is interesting.

I think sometimes they are a little bit to obvious in the UK. They sometimes think they must have a text on it and people don't understand the symbol. So they made very European symbols but sometimes they put a text on it too, just so people really can understand.

So look at this UK sign:



Most other countries in Europe don't have any text inside it, but in the UK they have the text GIVE WAY.

But look at this sign from Spain:



Exactly the same symbol, in same colour and everything is the same, but no text on it.

If they take of the text in the UK sign I think there is no problem. The people in the UK know what this sign means, even without the text.

But, back to Ireland again, this thread is about Ireland and not the UK or Spain.

Look at this Irish version of this sign.



Still exactly the same symbol like the UK and Spain. And Ireland are little bit to obvious about it like they are in the UK because they have a text inside it. But now it's the text YIELD, like American English. And the text YIELD is like in the US. But the sign has European style, not American. It's quite interesting Ireland using the American word for this sign and not the British word.

And at last, a sign in Irish language. Now it's called GÉILL SLÍ.

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The British used to use "Yield" and "Halt" but stopped in the 1960s when the new signs came in, the Irish didn't (well they did with "halt").

"Loss of priority" signs in the UK before the 60s were like white boxes that said things like "Halt at the main road", and they kept that, but put it in the triangle, but I guess it was copied from the Americans (the sign) but the road sign people probably didn't want it to be too American so they put "Give Way" instead. In Wales all the give way signs are bilingual and say:



Whereas in Ireland you only get the Géill Slí in the Gaeltacht, where official direction signs are only in Irish, but you still get warning signs in English, because most of the through drivers probably wouldn't understand Irish.

Signs such as the Caution Children blah blah blah which can come in a yellow rectangle comes in English and Irish in the Gaeltacht, rather than just English, although most unofficial signs, e,g put up by workers on private property to say that lorries will come out, are only in English.
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Old August 13th, 2011, 03:10 AM   #998
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The people in the UK know what this sign means, even without the text.
Yes indeed, without the text it's a warning to a Give Way that is ahead, by a distance marked on a supplementary plate underneath. Oh, no plate... confusing! :P
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Old August 16th, 2011, 01:14 AM   #999
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Does anyone know the reason for yellow shoulders? Personally, I like think white shoulders blend into the countryside better but then again I also think a yellow central diving line is a great way to indicate opposing traffic on roads, as used in North America and elsewhere
That's actually brilliant! I can't count how many times I was wondering what is the traffic direction on the next lane...
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Maybe it's hideous but I find it logical. Apart from being different from other European countries what's wrong with it?
Very simple thing: the "no entry" and "one way street" look almost the same - same shape, colors and most of the picture. The same applies to "no parking"/"parking" or "no left turn"/"left turn only" signs - the only difference is the little red bar.

Driving can be stressful enough not to add additional difficulties as hard to differentiate signs.
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