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Old October 4th, 2008, 07:53 PM   #101
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It'll take you 25 minutes at rush hour to get through the town in the last pic Nightmare it is.

Traffic through there is only about 13000 AADT, well below the capacity of the motorway that will (hopefully) start construction in a few weeks/months time and bypass it. But yeah, it jams up daily
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Old October 5th, 2008, 02:47 AM   #102
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Lisburn to Newry was D2 ages ago, and that's good enough for the traffic counts, now it's being fully grade-separated. The Republic is mostly upgrading routes from almost scratch - so going the whole hog is a good idea. Newry-Lisburn is going to be a N18 Limerick-Shannon, or N7/N4/N3 near Dublin type gap - the road was rather good before the roads boom, so could be got away with just leaving it.

NI doesn't have the money to spend on transport to replace a perfectly tolerable DC with a snazzy new motorway (note that the A4 and A1 south of Newry will be built as decent enough from the start). The traffic levels, while having increased, don't justify a motorway, unless the crazy low Republic figures are used. The grade-separation of the A1 seems to be more for safety reasons than congestion.

Also, for the motorway to be continuous (which in standards it is from Dublin to just south of Newry, and will be between Dublin and north of Newry), a parallel access road would be needed for the border crossing (where it doesn't exist), due to the UK laws on rights-of-way and motorways. This is why the M1 doesn't cross the border and become A1(M) or something north of it.
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Old October 6th, 2008, 09:20 PM   #103
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Lisburn to Newry was D2 ages ago
Lisburn to Banbridge was D2 for quite a while. Lisburn to Newry was only made D2 in late 2006 (except for short section). This work was a low standard D2 with right hand turns and multiple private entrances. Perhaps it won't be congested but such a low standard road is unsafe on a major inter-urban Euroroute built only 2 years ago and there are no immediate plans to grade separate this stretch. You can make excuses for sections built 30 years ago, but less so for this one.

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Also, for the motorway to be continuous (which in standards it is from Dublin to just south of Newry, and will be between Dublin and north of Newry), a parallel access road would be needed for the border crossing (where it doesn't exist), due to the UK laws on rights-of-way and motorways. This is why the M1 doesn't cross the border and become A1(M) or something north of it.
The new motorway class road south of Newry is almost completely along a new route, except for a few hundred metres. There is no reason it could not be designated motorway now, as A1(M) or similar. The reason is policy related, not related to alternative routes.
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Old October 6th, 2008, 09:24 PM   #104
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Non Irish readers might be interested to know that the Dublin Belfast road featured what is probably the first overpass in the world, in 1834! This was built in Banbridge to reduce the slope on the hill as horses had difficulty making the climb! This was the main road until 1977 when an S2 bypass of town was built.


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Old October 7th, 2008, 01:57 AM   #105
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Lisburn to Banbridge was D2 for quite a while. Lisburn to Newry was only made D2 in late 2006 (except for short section). This work was a low standard D2 with right hand turns and multiple private entrances. Perhaps it won't be congested but such a low standard road is unsafe on a major inter-urban Euroroute built only 2 years ago and there are no immediate plans to grade separate this stretch. You can make excuses for sections built 30 years ago, but less so for this one.
I bow to your better knowledge of opening dates. However all the right turns are planned to be blocked off and the major junctions grade seperated to the current end of the DC (which given as the rest of the A1 is to be bypassed by motorway standard road is good). This will make the road far safer, and decent enough.
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The new motorway class road south of Newry is almost completely along a new route, except for a few hundred metres. There is no reason it could not be designated motorway now, as A1(M) or similar. The reason is policy related, not related to alternative routes.
wrong - it's entirely to do with no alternate routes. It's UK law that if you are going to remove a right of way (say by making an all-purpose route a motorway) that you have to provide an alternative route for all the fields, etc that have lost their right of way. There is no alternative route for that short bit. Take a look at the Bramham-Wetherby section of A1(M) under construction in Yorkshire - the A1 (south of Wetherby) that is being upgraded is D3 with full hard shoulders and grade separated junctions. The motorway construction there is pretty much entirely offline - building a local access route to deal with the fact that the right of way is being removed by the A1 becoming a motorway. The reason the A1/N1 isn't motorway is entirely a legal matter, not a political one. That short 500m stretch is very important. All that's needed is a short section of S2 road, some blue signs and Statutory Instrument.
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Old October 7th, 2008, 02:53 AM   #106
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is d3 some kind of standard?

that bit of A1 south of wetherby was almost completely motorway standard. i think its a good rule that local access roads must remain. i would have thought this was the case in every country though. how else do the bikes and tractors get about!?
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Old October 7th, 2008, 02:58 PM   #107
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D3 = Dual three lane - so three lanes each way.

The bit of the A1 south of Wetherby was 'motorway standard' (motorway is a legal status, not a standard, but typically is a dual carriageway with hard shoulders) - there was no almost about it - from just south of the A58 junction to the A64 junction it fits the radii, lane width, shoulders and slip road geometry standards for a motorway - they are almost just changing the signs on that bit they are also removing a junction, but it was up to scratch. They are having to build a local access road - it was non-existent, in order to give it motorway status.

They do have to upgrade the Wetherby bypass. This is going to be done by building the southbound carriageway and doubling the width of the existing southbound carriageway to act as the northbound carriageway. The existing northbound carriageway is going to be plugged in with the stub of old A1 left by Wetherby-Walshford and used as the local access route - there's the alternate route of the old road through Wetherby - after all, we're talking about a bypass. However as the old bypass was a right of way, there must be a local access route, as local for local access route means local to the point of field boundaries.

Anyway, back over the Irish Sea. Why is the M17 going to be M17? M18 would be just as good - the N18 crosses the N6 to reach the N17, which heads into Galway, rather than to Oranmore. The 18/6 junction is being moved to Athenry, but the same triangle north of the N6 of N17-N18-N6 could be kept. The N17 being bypassed by the M17 will still be rather busy and is going to get some improvements, so it seems odd that it will be downgraded. The M17 performs the function of the current N18 between the N6 and N17, so it really ought to be M18.
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Old October 7th, 2008, 05:14 PM   #108
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I bow to your better knowledge of opening dates. However all the right turns are planned to be blocked off and the major junctions grade seperated to the current end of the DC
The fount of all knowledge is relation to NI roads is Wesley Johnston's site
http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/roads/

No evidence of any plans to remove right turns on the recently built A1 south of Banbridge.

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That short 500m stretch is very important. All that's needed is a short section of S2 road, some blue signs and Statutory Instrument.
My point was that access arrangements for this short stretch would have been relatively easy to ensure and that the section south of this could have been A1(M) in any case. The fact that this has not been done suggests a policy bias against a motorway.
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Old October 7th, 2008, 06:24 PM   #109
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The fount of all knowledge is relation to NI roads is Wesley Johnston's site
http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/roads/

No evidence of any plans to remove right turns on the recently built A1 south of Banbridge.
Funny - that was my source - from the A1 Sprucefield-Beech Hill page (my bold).
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The Newry/Cascum Road junction south of Banbridge is being grade-separated at time of writing (Nov 2006) and a final three were announced late in 2006 which will finish the job (see future schemes). This process will be coupled with stopping up all right-turns and improving the crash barrier. These improvements will all be funded by public/private partnerships.
That's south of Banbridge, and stopping up the right turns. Future plans include removing many of the side roads north of Banbridge (and adding some bridges so people can do the right turns that are being blocked up), and as yet that doesn't apply south of Banbridge. There will be no central reservation breaks between Dublin Port and Sprucefield when these works are done.
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Old October 7th, 2008, 06:54 PM   #110
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Some pics of Irish roads taken during my trip there in 2006.


Somewhere in the Connemara :


The "Sky Road" :


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Old October 8th, 2008, 05:05 PM   #111
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Spectacular pics there - Thanks!
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Old October 8th, 2008, 07:00 PM   #112
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Non Irish readers might be interested to know that the Dublin Belfast road featured what is probably the first overpass in the world, in 1834! This was built in Banbridge to reduce the slope on the hill as horses had difficulty making the climb! This was the main road until 1977 when an S2 bypass of town was built.

I never knew that such things were heard of back then! This is a must post on SABRE!
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Old October 8th, 2008, 07:02 PM   #113
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Ireland as a pioneer of modern road contruction
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Old October 20th, 2008, 08:26 PM   #114
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Short video of the new bowstring at the N7/M50 interchange being put in place last week

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zj2R1gz2og
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This post deleted in protest against politically biased moderation.

Keep politics out of the roads forum.

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This post deleted in protest against politically biased moderation.

Keep politics out of the roads forum.

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Old December 13th, 2008, 04:38 AM   #117
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I know there is a lot of road building going on in Ireland at the moment:M3 (to Kells only), M6, M7, M8, M9 should be all ready in 2010.
There is also M50 upgrading, Limerick bypass construction (with underwater tunnel) and few other smaller projects.
So, why then this thread is so dead? Where are construction updates and pictures?
Come on guys, give us some pictures!
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This post deleted in protest against politically biased moderation.

Keep politics out of the roads forum.

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Old December 13th, 2008, 06:31 PM   #119
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How about Red Cow junction? Is there any traffic camera?

In Poland any new motorway construction have designated official website where pictures and updates are posted during construction. Usually every month but it varies from contract to contract.
Those websites are usually run by company who supervise contractors ( so called "contract engineer", a company which is separate from contractors, it is chosen in different bidding process than contractors).
Do you have something similar in Ireland? I couldn't find anything like that.

Here are links for some of this websites from A1 motorway construction around my hometown:
http://www.a1.swierklany-gorzyczki.pl/galeria.htm

http://www.belk-swierklany.pl/galeria_102008.htm

http://www.a1.sosnica-belk.pl/g200811.html
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Old December 14th, 2008, 01:09 PM   #120
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There really are no major website for current constructions, which everyone has been complaining about recently.

www.nra.ie is the road building authority.

Best bet to check motorway construction is Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M8_motorway_(Ireland) <- links to the rest on here.
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