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Old September 5th, 2013, 04:24 PM   #1241
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It's certainly shed its share (more than its share) of lives in "the rest of Europe"'s wars....
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Old September 5th, 2013, 04:33 PM   #1242
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It's certainly shed its share (more than its share) of lives in "the rest of Europe"'s wars....
It's not up to me to judge, but people should stop looking at 70 years ago event and focus on present.
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Old September 5th, 2013, 05:05 PM   #1243
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I just think that saying "the Brits don't care about Europe" when there are thousands of British war dead in cemeteries liberally scattered across western Europe is...misplaced. And I hear that sort of thing all the time.

But I was reacting, not trying to start something.



ON topic, I'm not sure the terms "on-line" and "off-line" services are used in the U.S. Maybe among specialists. But the meaning was obvious to me in context.
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Old September 5th, 2013, 07:05 PM   #1244
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100(kph) is used as there is an open border between the UK and Ireland but there is no open border with any other country that uses km. The UK and Ireland also drive on the right side of the road ( right as in correct). The KPH probably dates back to the conversion in the 1980s and 1990s, it took quite a few years to convert old 'MILES' signs to KPH signs and they started with Distance indicator signs not permitted speed signs
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Old September 5th, 2013, 07:13 PM   #1245
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There still are plenty of mph fingerpost signs.
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Old September 5th, 2013, 07:18 PM   #1246
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Ah, but the Brits were doing that nasty thing called defending the idea of sovereign nation states, rather than promoting Supranationalism. The British's Nazi warmongering - seeking to protect Belgium (WW1) and Poland (WW2)'s sovereignty from invading neighbours - was not noble or just, but representative of everything that we must stand against as good European citizens, just as our Great President said!

Britain wants what is best for Europe - a growing economy, stable currency(ies), democracy, freedom, peace - the problem lies in that most of the rest of Europe disagree how to get these things.

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Anyway, back on topic...

The UK doesn't have mph on its speed limit signs for the same reason that it uses mph - the change is too. Ireland did change, and to make it clear, put the units on the signs. Helping with confusion in the lead up to the change and just after the change - it says "these speed limits are in km/h - either ignore if revealed prematurely, or ignore all others if not yet removed".

'Online' and 'Offline' re:service areas are common terms amongst UK roadgeeks. They don't appear officially, as all those who are signing said services care about is whether they meet the requirements. I like what Ireland has done here.
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Old September 5th, 2013, 09:15 PM   #1247
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'Online' and 'Offline' re:service areas are common terms amongst UK roadgeeks. They don't appear officially, as all those who are signing said services care about is whether they meet the requirements. I like what Ireland has done here.
Me too. If traffic doesn't justify services only for the motorway it is better to build something at the junction and clearly sign it online rather that hope for some future developments which might never happen.
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Old September 5th, 2013, 10:28 PM   #1248
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I think, as I said, that OFFLINE services must meet basic standards in order to be signed at the taxpayers expense, poo pot noodles and petrol 24/7 as standard and no more than 10km from the motorway in a nearby town. But they are ideal in rural areas.

If that new dual carriageway is built from Perth to Inverness how many 24/7 service stations will that support when the north of Scotland from Inverness up only has the population of County Galway or so. You might get one online 8am to 8pm, station and thats it.

Other than an online service somewhere on the M50 and one somewhere around Bray/Shankill and one around Naas I think the useful 24/7 online Irish ones are all built already.

That one to be built near Gorey will be a white elephant. It'll have to be let on a filthy cheap rent.
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Old September 7th, 2013, 03:54 PM   #1249
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The KPH probably dates back to the conversion in the 1980s and 1990s, it took quite a few years to convert old 'MILES' signs to KPH signs and they started with Distance indicator signs not permitted speed signs
There was one changeover point for speed limits, on 20 January 2005. It was not only the addition of 'km/h' that occurred, but the use of Motorway rather than Transport for the numerals.

Also, I think people are confusing speed and distance units.
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Old September 11th, 2013, 11:43 PM   #1250
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From the NRA - Location Reference Indicator (LRIs) Signs & Location Reference Markings(LRMs)
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Old September 14th, 2013, 07:29 PM   #1251
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There still are plenty of mph fingerpost signs.
These signs show distances in miles, not speed limits. They're pretty rare these days, mainly being confined to very minor roads.
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If that new dual carriageway is built from Perth to Inverness how many 24/7 service stations will that support when the north of Scotland from Inverness up only has the population of County Galway or so. You might get one online 8am to 8pm, station and thats it.
The A9 between Perth and Inverness is the busiest tourist route in Scotland. A 24 hour services area would easily be viable from April to October.


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That one to be built near Gorey will be a white elephant. It'll have to be let on a filthy cheap rent.
Most Irish businesses could use cheap rents these days.

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Old September 14th, 2013, 07:42 PM   #1253
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Ah, but the Brits were doing that nasty thing called defending the idea of sovereign nation states, rather than promoting Supranationalism.
So that's what the British Empire was about!
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Old September 15th, 2013, 12:31 AM   #1254
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[OT, but] The context was British opposition to Hitler and the like....

Even an Irishman wouldn't put the British on the same level as the Nazis, surely.
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Old September 15th, 2013, 03:23 AM   #1255
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Even an Irishman wouldn't put the British on the same level as the Nazis, surely.
No. The Black and Tans never built a single road and are only famous nowadays for Burning down Cork.

Can we get back to roads please.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 02:04 AM   #1256
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These signs show distances in miles, not speed limits. They're pretty rare these days, mainly being confined to very minor roads.
That is true, there are aome old mph speed limit signs on private roads too.
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Old September 18th, 2013, 02:47 PM   #1257
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That is true, there are aome old mph speed limit signs on private roads too.
Businesses aren't legally required to change these, but most did anyway.
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The NRA has redesigned its web site.

http://www.nra.ie/
Ugh, the Road Scheme Activity bit is harder to use than before.
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Old October 3rd, 2013, 03:28 PM   #1260
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God that NRA site is a disgraceful mess.

There is only one useful new feature, traffic counter data is finally mapped....well some of it is, where is Ballinasloe M6 for example ????
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