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Old September 3rd, 2009, 03:26 AM   #441
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They were supposed to start on the 29th of August. But I went there on tuesday evening and there were no activity at all on the construction site. There were some advertising balloons for PingAn.
Then the 2nd plot were the 300+ towers will be constructed is still a place for car park and driving lessons.
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Old September 3rd, 2009, 10:29 AM   #442
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sigh,

I hope they start this thing soon as possible. Im liking the design without the spire more and more.
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Old September 3rd, 2009, 10:31 AM   #443
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spire is definitely better.
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Old September 3rd, 2009, 10:40 AM   #444
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spire is definitely better.
Spire is cheating. That is so pretentious to make a 588m building and to add a ridiculous 58 meters spire on top, only to beat Shanghai.
It's like kids on a beach competing to make the biggest castle.

Anyways I'm almost sure that they'll end up putting the spire on top of it...
What I like on Hong Kong building's like 2 IFC and ICC, it's that they don't have a spire, they're just big, and not due to a thin spire.

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Old September 4th, 2009, 10:03 AM   #445
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well for me the spire is not for height, I just think the design is better.
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Old September 6th, 2009, 12:58 PM   #446
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do we have a date for digging to start ?
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Old September 8th, 2009, 05:23 PM   #447
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it's gonna really terrible if PingAn tower without the spire.
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Old September 9th, 2009, 06:45 AM   #448
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I like the Norman Foster design better, but the current design could end up being fine if the details are done well, which KPF usually does.

I do not like how their original plans back on page one of this thread gave dominance to the automobile, with not one but two places where the automobile goes through the building.

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Old September 9th, 2009, 06:43 PM   #449
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amazing design
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Old September 9th, 2009, 06:58 PM   #450
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I like the Norman Foster design better, but the current design could end up being fine if the details are done well, which KPF usually does.

I do not like how their original plans back on page one of this thread gave dominance to the automobile, with not one but two places where the automobile goes through the building.
Planner, I agree with you about the Foster design vis-a-vis the current one. But, like you say, hopefully the details will make it stand out. One of my major issues with the entire Futian CBD development is that it is scaled for the car. While it looks impressive from a distance, the streets are dead (for a Chinese city) for pedestrians. It lacks the vitality that is common in downtown Luohu or other parts of SZ
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Old September 10th, 2009, 04:20 AM   #451
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Planner, I agree with you about the Foster design vis-a-vis the current one. But, like you say, hopefully the details will make it stand out. One of my major issues with the entire Futian CBD development is that it is scaled for the car. While it looks impressive from a distance, the streets are dead (for a Chinese city) for pedestrians. It lacks the vitality that is common in downtown Luohu or other parts of SZ
This is normal. Many of the buildings are still not completed, all offices spaces are still not rented out. But Shenzhen is like SimCity, you'll get more and more pedestrian in the street in the future. I remember CocoPark being dead, I remember the empty bar street, now it's crowded almost every day of the week. This was the same for Citic Plaza, there were nobody at the beginning and after 1 year it became a crowded place.
They build so fast here that people don't have the time to get used to it and to make those places their places.
And I can't agree with the fact that Futian CBD is not done for pedestrian, pretty soon you'll be able to go from the exhibition center (south) to LianHuaShan (north) by walking in a nice environment. Passing by, the new Central walk, the old central walk, the futian park, the Civic Center, the library and the concert hall and then LianHua Shan, probably all this without having to cross any pedestrian crossing.
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Old September 10th, 2009, 04:37 AM   #452
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I dont like this building ..
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Old September 10th, 2009, 06:35 AM   #453
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Although I do not mean to further sidetrack the thread, I agree with some of the points about the cbd being auto-oriented, but also agree with it being comparatively pedestrian oriented.
  • In its 420 or so hectares, there is the exhibition center and five malls (2 Coco Parks, Book City, Central Walk and the mall (still under construction) between Central Walk and the exhibition center. All of those were not proposed by private developers, but were planned by the city. So life is sucked out of the street and into buildings. But, to the city's credit, all the malls do have some activities and retail that face out onto the street. And the original plans were for teh Coco Parks to be more garden-like.
  • Block sizes are larger than I would like, but they are smaller than most new places in Shenzhen. Plus, the blocks themselves are fairly permeable, without the fences and wallls that separate adjacent buildings/developments in other areas of Shenzhen.
  • I would like to see more buildings built to the property line and with retail at ground level, but, again it is better than most parts of Shenzhen. The urban design plan by SOM for the blocks between Coco Park and Shennan Avenue did just that, and with arcaded buildings. It is just too bad that the building management for all those buildings is not to international standards, making them B-grade office buildings. Even then, some crucial aspects of SOM's plan were deleted or ignored--such as having two residential buildings there, which would have given that area a more 24-hour feel.
  • Some of the residential developments are too large and are just large stretches of walls/fences along the sidewalk---boorrring for the pedestrian and scaled for the automobile. Huangpu Huayuan is the most egregious, but the cbd is much better than areas in NW Futian and outside the SEZ. Xinghe Guoji (Galaxy), across the street from Coco Park is an example of good residential development--street level retail with a garden for residents atop the podium base.
  • I live in fear of transport department throwing up fences in the middle of the roads in the cbd. It's nice they want to reduce pedestrian/auto conflicts, but it is always done at the expense of the automobile.
  • The turning radii at street intersections is still too large, so cars can turn the corner at high speeds , which makes it dangerous for pedestrians, which then makes a need for fences down the middle of the street, which forces people into cars and so on. BUT, again it is better than most parts of Shenzhen which have even larger turning radii with islands so cars turning right don't even need to stop at red lights.
  • Parking is rarely enforced, which degrades the pedestrian experience and also subsidizes auto usage. A citywide (nationwide) problem.

But there is good density for vibrancy and a good mix of uses and better than most parts of Shenzhen, which is why I live there. And it is unbeatable as far as public transport connections, especially when the underground high speed rail station is built. Once some of the shade trees mature, the pedestrian experience will be better too.
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A few pics to illustrate the above post.


Original designs for the 'Shopping Park', the less successful one developed by Chengjian Jituan adheres closely to the design, while thedevelopers of Coco Park (Galaxy) went out and redisgned it using specialists in retail design.



SOM's urban design for 'Blocks 22, 23' shows how they split up two large blocks into 16 smaller scaled ones and push buildings to the property lines.



Arcade at the Marco Polo Hotel. Yes it has the arcades mandated by SOM's urban design guidelines, but the arcade is interrupted, ensuring the arcade won't be used (for most of this stretch of the arcade, the hotel presents a blank wall to the arcade too). The bump is to accomodate the ramp down to the car park.

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Old September 10th, 2009, 07:49 AM   #455
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the malls are designed, like you said, to suck in and focus the activities. many of the towers are inhospitable to walkers, gated off and lacking ground floor retail uses, particularly compared with other parts of SZ. doubtless there are still people but the large blocks, lack of ground floor activity, and fair-sized distances make it worse for peds. I live outside the SEZ, its a far more interesting (though downscale) walking experience

sorry to be getting off topic, but i'm enjoying this discussion. where's a better thread for it?

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Old September 10th, 2009, 08:45 AM   #456
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Looks like we are all agreeing on the unwalkability and the deadness of the streets in Futian's central districts.


Back to the tower, this is was Shenzhen TV's report of the ground breaking ceremony and the render they showed has no spire....


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Old September 14th, 2009, 03:49 AM   #457
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Looks like we are all agreeing on the unwalkability and the deadness of the streets in Futian's central districts.


Back to the tower, this is was Shenzhen TV's report of the ground breaking ceremony and the render they showed has no spire....
Euh no... I don't agree. I live right close to FuTian CBD and yesterday I had a 3 hours walk from South to North and there are more an more people walking down the streets, and when in 2 or 3 years most of the buildings will be completed you'll see that those streets are totally walkable and will be filled with pedestrians.
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Old September 14th, 2009, 03:51 AM   #458
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By the way still zero activity on PingAn construction site
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Old September 20th, 2009, 09:39 AM   #459
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Old September 20th, 2009, 10:07 PM   #460
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do we have a date when digging starts ?
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