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Old June 9th, 2013, 06:58 AM   #4961
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Wow.

I was in SHenzhen in January/February 2012, and I went to the CoCo Park Shopping Centre, and I didn't even notice any construction or many signs that this was being built!
have you had your eyes closed in Coco Park
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Old June 9th, 2013, 09:28 AM   #4962
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heavy wind is more of a problem than heavy rain.
It looks rock solid and overbuilt. I don't think that 200km/h winds will be an issue.
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Old June 9th, 2013, 10:20 AM   #4963
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It looks rock solid and overbuilt. I don't think that 200km/h winds will be an issue.
When it is U/C it is a problem. For the completed tower probably far less.
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Old June 9th, 2013, 02:23 PM   #4964
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That's a good thing. Setting buildings back and off from one another so that you can actually see them as distinct structures, no shaded canyon effect as you get in Chicago and New York, even Los Angeles. Green space, plazas and sunshine.
I dont know, I just think it takes away from the skyline, it looks less impressive in my opinion. Maybe it does make for better living, so maybe its the right thing to do
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Old June 10th, 2013, 12:44 AM   #4965
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However dont let that take anything away from the stunning development going on in China and of course this building.
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Old June 10th, 2013, 10:45 AM   #4966
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Old June 10th, 2013, 10:47 AM   #4967
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Old June 11th, 2013, 12:58 PM   #4968
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Old June 12th, 2013, 05:59 PM   #4969
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Old June 12th, 2013, 10:14 PM   #4970
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not sure if we'll see the first cladding yet this year. more like 1st quarter 2014 i would say
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Old June 12th, 2013, 10:16 PM   #4971
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hard to say, some buildings start cladding rather early and the cladding can nearly catch up with the speed of the rising. other buildings top out before cladding even starts
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Old June 12th, 2013, 10:20 PM   #4972
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Old June 13th, 2013, 12:09 AM   #4973
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It looks rock solid and overbuilt. I don't think that 200km/h winds will be an issue.
Not for the structure, but you cannot lift anything with the cranes in strong winds.
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Old June 13th, 2013, 02:41 AM   #4974
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Not for the structure, but you cannot lift anything with the cranes in strong winds.
Yeah, just think about what happened to the One57 crane during Hurricane Sandy.

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That's a good thing. Setting buildings back and off from one another so that you can actually see them as distinct structures, no shaded canyon effect as you get in Chicago and New York, even Los Angeles. Green space, plazas and sunshine.
I get this impulse, and agree that the canyons of NY, for example, are often lacking in sunshine. But, what needs to be carefully considered is the street wall. An overabundance of plazas, lack of ground-floor retail, and wide, car-oriented streets all work against a good pedestrian experience. I deal with this all the time whenever I go to Century City in LA (conceived and built at the peak of 60s California urbanism), which is full of open space, wide streets, sunlight, tall towers -- and no people.

Setting the tall towers back from the street, and spacing them out from one another, while building bases out all the way to the sidewalks, with abundant ground floor retail seems like the best solution.

I haven't been to Shenzhen or anywhere else in China, for that matter, so I have to ask the group what it's like to actually these cities. But in these photos and in many of the proposed master plans, I see lots of plots separated from one another by wide driving streets, and from the sidewalks by wide plazas. It makes me worried that a midcentury design philosophy is going to detract from humans actually enjoying the spaces.
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Setting the tall towers back from the street, and spacing them out from one another, while building bases out all the way to the sidewalks, with abundant ground floor retail seems like the best solution.
That's exactly what's happening here. A few places in China do seem a bit "overplanned" with a lack of retail but that's not the case here in Futian CBD, Shenzhen. There's a mall in this project, a mall across the street with a large amount of street-facing retail, and a lot of ground floor retail in the other bases.

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I haven't been to Shenzhen or anywhere else in China, for that matter, so I have to ask the group what it's like to actually these cities. But in these photos and in many of the proposed master plans, I see lots of plots separated from one another by wide driving streets, and from the sidewalks by wide plazas. It makes me worried that a midcentury design philosophy is going to detract from humans actually enjoying the spaces.
I haven't been to Shenzhen either, but Chinese cities are generally very bustling and have people everywhere even in places with non-ideal urban planning. That's why I'm not worried about "dead zones" as much as with similar projects in the US. To my eyes Shenzhen looks very well planned, a mix of extremely bustling "urban villages", lavish and very green parks, and dense streets filled with tall buildings and retail. Well designed for cars, public transport, and pedestrians. Definitely seems more vibrant than my city Tianjin, which still has tons of people everywhere, but is considered one of the more quiet cities of China.
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Old June 13th, 2013, 01:50 PM   #4976
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True.

Dead zones may occur if certain areas have only 1 function, office for example. These will close in the evening and then everything goes quiet.
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Old June 13th, 2013, 09:15 PM   #4977
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That's exactly what's happening here.
Thanks for the insight. I'm trying to save up for a China trip (my friend's dad is working for Disney in Shanghai and has invited me out there basically for the express purpose of checking out skyscrapers), and I can't wait to see this stuff for myself. It's really tough to get a sense of the cityscape just through photos, however great many of them might be.

I should probably put a hold on it until ST, Ping An and Guangzhou CTF are done though, otherwise I'll just have to save up again...
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Old June 13th, 2013, 09:22 PM   #4978
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do not resist to just go and see what is already tall and proud impressing you, you will not regret it, there will always be taller buildings you think you want to wait for and when they are completed there are even new ones planned already. for shanghai it already seems like a peak for the coming years so you should just go and be amazed
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Old June 14th, 2013, 05:24 AM   #4979
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This is going up insanely fast. One month ago they were just above where the bottom crane supports are now:



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Old June 14th, 2013, 10:11 AM   #4980
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One half of the core has risen another floor, wow!

Slowly i believe we can see cladding already this year
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