Vietnamese communities in CE ;-)

[garriochio]

Do you have Vietnamese in Czech Rep., Hungary and Slovakia? Afaik you do - more 'per capita' than Poland. I heard of a number of about 50 000 in Poland as a whole - half of which in warsaw- I live in Warsaw and can tell myself there are a lot of them (but you can easily spot them cause Poland is homogenous contrary to i.e London - there are no foreigners in Poland compared to london for instance )

[garriochio]

They sell their food in bars - kucak słodko-kwasnaaaaa!!!! Rozkosz smaku gwarantowany they speak funny Polish (if ever) but I like them - ecspecially chicks

[Norkey]

heh... what a hell...?

In fact, i like Vietnamese culture and their way how they live and work. It is something different than gypsies (roma, cigans or however all they are being called..). I know few of them, and I think we have important Vietnamese comunity as Hungarians have Mongols, Slovaks have gypsies and you Polish have some ukrainians maybe?? For example: Small village somewhere in the middle of nowhere has small local shop, which was owned by czechs. They closed it because it wasn't proffitable. Then the vietnamese come, they have opening hours from 06:30 to 21:00 and everything seems to be ok. Local drukards drink beer in the opposite park as before...

I found article in czech: http://www.klubhanoi.cz/view.php?cisloclanku=2006121301

And chick babes with sloed eyes.. mhmm..mlask..

[tersyxus]

Well, as for Budapest, which might be more cosmopolitan than Warsaw, we've got almost 100.000 from Southeast Asia, according to reports. This figure is a bit far-fetched but could be real for the whole country perhaps. I'm too crazy to distinguish all type of them but there you can find a lot of them on the streets. They like sticking together in Budapest, there are typical areas where they tend to move in. Most of them live in the capital but you can hardly find a city in Hungary that has no "Chinese" shop or boutique near the centre.

They've been moving here constantly since the late 60s (because of the war, I suppose) and there was a great migration boom after the change of the regime in the 90s. I've heard a couple of stories about Vietnamese who came here to study at our universities in the 70s and 80s. Those students were extremely hard-working and clever, everybody says so.

I've got no problems with them, I've got even few friends from the Far East. All I don't really stand is the filthy piggery they do around open-air markets and fast-restaurants...

A Chinese clothes-market in BP

[Norkey]

well, in czech towns they has already moved to "stone shops." Cheap goods in public markets was mainly in 90s, now they often more quality goods and resides on the good adresses (with some exceptions as tourist targets in german borderland - Hřensko, Cheb with thousands of souvenir stands). Me personally, I prefer luxurious goods from C&A and others, but some retirees and low-class wealth citizens love this

[paku]

Here is an article on Vietnamese diaspora around the world, quote focusing on Poland and Czech Republic, no mention about Hungary.

Poland
Probably more than 50 000 Vietnamese live in Poland, mostly in big cities, the majority of them illegally.[citation needed] They publish a number of newspapers, both pro- and anti-Communist. Only some of them belong to three organizations.


Czech Republic
Main article: Vietnamese Czechs
Many Vietnamese immigrants in the Czech Republic reside in Prague. There is an enclave called "Little Hanoi", named after the capital city Hanoi of Vietnam. Unlike Vietnamese immigrants in Western Europe and the United States, these immigrants were usually communist cadres studying or working abroad who decided to stay after the collapse of communism in Central and Eastern Europe.

The number of Vietnamese people in the Czech Republic is estimated at between 40,000[3] and 80,000.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Vietnamese

[VelesHomais]

If you're interested, there are 200,000 immigrants from Asia and Africa in Ukraine, mainly Vietnamese. Article about them
http://www.compas.ox.ac.uk/events/An...r-Pylynski.pdf

[Marek.kvackaj]

Originally Posted by Feyd-Rautha

heh... what a hell...?

In fact, i like Vietnamese culture and their way how they live and work. It is something different than gypsies (roma, cigans or however all they are being called..). I know few of them, and I think we have important Vietnamese comunity as Hungarians have Mongols, Slovaks have gypsies and you Polish have some ukrainians maybe?? For example: Small village somewhere in the middle of nowhere has small local shop, which was owned by czechs. They closed it because it wasn't proffitable. Then the vietnamese come, they have opening hours from 06:30 to 21:00 and everything seems to be ok. Local drukards drink beer in the opposite park as before...

bullshit Czech rep. got a lot of gypies too...and dont start of comming them from Slovakia...A lot of them was born in Czech rep. and YOur governement refuse after 1993 separation give them Czech rep. nationality...I think YOU didnt know that...or some of Gypsies lived in Czech rep. 20-30-40 years and after 1993 still had Slovakian nationality....
and just in case I dont have agains gypsies nothing really is people like anybody else ....Just imagine YOU live in Germany and after 40 year working and living there they refuse give YOU German nationality...and thats WRONG
Yeah Im really tired from fucking rasists...
Yeah and Vietmamese how many of them pay legaly taxes for their bussines and buying good from Slave East ...Thaiwan child labor and how many import expired meat(other food and goods) from China and around and how many of them beating or working accidents others illegal Vietnameses in Czech rep and how many can afford to visit Doctor(case of illegal Vietnam, Ukraine workers)



Slovakia
We have also Big community of Vietnamese from time of Comunism friendship between East and Us.
n my town Brezno there is already second generation have been born in Slovakia. V. Runs here restavrant, market and I guess few small ilegal thinks



ps Im suprised that Slovaks is in Czech rep. only 60 000....
off topic
ps> in Uk and Ireland emigrated 80 000 and few working daily abroad or in Germany, Austria ...around 15 000.

[VelesHomais]

Originally Posted by Feyd-Rautha

I didn't know that so many Ukrainians were going to Czechia. Are they there permanently or just working for a short period of time? If permanently, do they integrate fast (because of similar language, culture etc.) ? Where are they in terms of financial status among all immigrants? How do Czechs view them? How much might immigrants be earning in Czechia (sorry for so many questions )?

I heard something about criminals leaving for Czechia when police cracked down on the mafia in the late 1990's in Ukraine, though that probably was an insignificant percentage among others.

[Marek.kvackaj]

I found that in Slovakia is also Albanian comunity...
this report is from 2004 and basicly said that in Slovakia lived 3.000-4.000 Albanian and nowadays number propably increased ..

http://cejsh.icm.edu.pl/cejsh/cgi-bi...SKAAAA01102528

[HiRazor]

Im suprised that Slovaks is in Czech rep. only 60 000

Keep in mind these numbers 1/ comprise only LEGAL foreigners living in the Czech republic. Therefore the real numbers are much higher, especially for Ukrainians, Vietnamese and the likes. 2/ do not include long term foreign residents who have become czech CITIZENS already. In 2001 there was like 200.000 czechs of slovak ethnicity and also a growing number of ukraininan and vietnamese (source). And 3/ last but not least the number doesnt include "PENDLERS". Foreign workers from neighbouring countries who dont have Czech republic as their place of residence (at least officialy). Roughly 100.000 Slovaks were legally employed in the Czech republic in 2007 (source).

[alesmarv]

I always find the opinions of locals in central and eastern Europe regarding foreigners, specifically other races hilarious. Not that anyone here has said anything absurd, but in general people know almost nothing about foreigners such as Vietnamese in these countries. I say this being a Czech who has spent a majority of my life living in a somewhat multicultural city, according to the UN one of the 3 most multicultural cities in the world. So I have a bit of a different view. I visit the Czech republic often, and in fact just last Sunday my cousin from Ceske Budejovice left after 5 months who I talked allot with about the Vietnamese, multiculturalism (which there is almost none of), and the treatment of foreigners in the Czech republic. Last time I was also in the Czech republic one of the best conversations I had in 2 months was with two Vietnamese students/workers who worked their asses of yet were treated like crap.

In any case in two days i am going on a date with a Korean girl, and the last three diners I had were all Pho or Vermaceli at a Vietnamese Restaurant...something that is non existent in central Europe along with any other Asian, Chinese, Indian, African, middle eastern or Japanese restaurants(I only know of two Sushi restaurant for example that are both in Prague and are overpriced and poor quality, regarding Chinese restaurants there are none that I have ever seen...remember that just because its called Chinese doesn't mean it is anything remotely similar to Chinese food...its always just messed up ways of cooking versions of Czech food with rice on the side).

Hopefully i am not coming across wrong but just trying to make the point that embracing other cultures, treating them with the same respect that they treat you with has its benefits...Also trying to point out that in general this doesn't happen in Central Europe and that there is barely any other cultural influences present such as food, entertainment, shopping, goods etc.

[Infinite]

Originally Posted by Feyd-Rautha

I prefer luxurious goods from C&A

Hehe C&A is definitely a very luxurious brand! )))

alesmarv: I have a little hard time trying to understand what the hell are you talking about. Obviously, you posses no real daily life contact with your long-alienated homeland, otherwise you wouldn't be babbling such bullshit. Of course in the capitals of our countries the life is cosmopolitan to a certain extent - it is naturally no London or NY but what you described is complete nonsense. I'm not even going to comment your part on the supposedly non-existent asian cuisine in central europe.

[Norkey]

Originally Posted by alesmarv

I only know of two Sushi restaurant for example that are both in Prague and are overpriced and poor quality

I know some excellent places in Liberec or Hradec, quality is quite good here and it isn't overpriced. Hradec had luxurious asian restaurants when in Prague you thought McDonald come from Hollywood studios.. In every small city there is an asian restaurant, I like especially one in town Turnov (for 15k inhabitants, there are not less than three I guess).. but you're right, we don't have any african restaurants for example, because our history isn't history of colonialism and exploitation of natives

Hehe C&A is definitely a very luxurious brand! )))

Well, I like going shopping, and buying new clothes for example.) I'm not into one or two brands, I like trying new brands and new things.. and new shops. There are hundreds of them

[paku]

Originally Posted by alesmarv

In any case in two days i am going on a date with a Korean girl, and the last three diners I had were all Pho or Vermaceli at a Vietnamese Restaurant...something that is non existent in central Europe along with any other Asian, Chinese, Indian, African, middle eastern or Japanese restaurants(I only know of two Sushi restaurant for example that are both in Prague and are overpriced and poor quality, regarding Chinese restaurants there are none that I have ever seen...remember that just because its called Chinese doesn't mean it is anything remotely similar to Chinese food...its always just messed up ways of cooking versions of Czech food with rice on the side).

Now i know you've never been in Poland.

[RawLee]

Nor in Hungary. Here, there are quite much "foreign"(mostly chinese) restaurants.I dont know how good is their food, because I like european food much more.

[HiRazor]

they speak funny Polish

Well this is what stupid Czechs said (say) about the first generation immigrants too. Be sure the next one will be as fluent as anybody else born in Poland.

Provided they dont move somewhere else, like Czech republic for instance. Which Id have personally welcomed, because asian immigrants here are in general very industrious and hard working people, who perhaps, in the first generation, are not completely familiar with concepts of paying taxes, custom and other fees (not to mention the concept of copyright), but overall are a great asset to the community. As Feyd has already mentioned, they are able to run bussiness in places where local czech businesses have long gone bancrupt. Beside that, they rely a lot on education, their children are usually amongst the best students, so there is also a great generation of asian czech lawyers, scientists and engineers looming.

[headshottt]

Originally Posted by HiRazor

Well this is what stupid Czechs said (say) about the first generation immigrants too. Be sure the next one will be as fluent as anybody else born in Poland.

Provided they dont move somewhere else, like Czech republic for instance. Which Id have personally welcomed, because asian immigrants here are in general very industrious and hard working people, who perhaps, in the first generation, are not completely familiar with concepts of paying taxes, custom and other fees (not to mention the concept of copyright), but overall are a great asset to the community. As Feyd has already mentioned, they are able to run bussiness in places where local czech businesses have long gone bancrupt. Beside that, they rely a lot on education, their children are usually amongst the best students, so there is also a great generation of asian czech lawyers, scientists and engineers looming.

Aren´t you Vietnamese? Just joke You're absolutely right.

[HiRazor]

Originally Posted by headshottt

Aren´t you Vietnamese?

No (not that it mattered). Im just a humble czech taxpayer who keenly welcomes anybody who joins him in his effort to keep the czech welfare state afloat. The more skilled and hard working Vietnamese, Ukrainians or whoever, the better for this country.

Originally Posted by alesmarv

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I second what the others have already said; most of your input is complete bollox.

There are like 4 or 5 places to eat in the very vicinity of my work. Out of it 2 are Halal foods (catering mostly to the local muslim community), 1 greek place (waitresses however sport an ee accent) and 1 chinese restaurant. The only "czech" place is a "jídelna" (a sort of fast food) whose entire staff (of roughly 10 people) except one cashier are ukrainians. Well this is downtown Prague and the rest of the country is definitely less cosmopolitan, but still you can find an asian fast food, asian market etc in almost any reasonably sized town of this country. Heck even my hometown of pop. 5000 has got a chinese restaurant and a viet veggy market. Not to mention all these ukrainians employed in the construction and service industries all over country.

[historyworks]

Originally Posted by alesmarv

I always find the opinions of locals in central and eastern Europe regarding foreigners, specifically other races hilarious. Not that anyone here has said anything absurd, but in general people know almost nothing about foreigners such as Vietnamese in these countries. I say this being a Czech who has spent a majority of my life living in a somewhat multicultural city, according to the UN one of the 3 most multicultural cities in the world. So I have a bit of a different view.

I wonder if you are from Australia alesmarv? Yes it is funny reading these opinions but on the other hand in CE there are countries who have a long history of having other people walking in and taking away their country and telling them what to do (not to mention murdering, converting religion etc) so I'm not surprised that people feel a little bit cautious about foreigners, its forgivable.

In countries like Australia, Canada, US we've had a fresh start but it is not all roses. Every day I thank multiculturalism for our Chinese, Czech and Hungarian restaurants and that I can go down to the Polish bakery and buy my poznanski (even though these things are starting to be swept away by globalisation a.k.a. Americanisation!). But multiculturalism should be a two-way street. We respect the immigrant groups and they in turn should respect the life we have provided for them. Many groups such as Europeans, Chinese, Vietnamese assimilate well and are good Australian citizens, however others try to keep their own way and don't respect the host culture. It is never going to be easy and discussing it is even more difficult without causing offence.