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Old December 18th, 2007, 09:31 PM   #121
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A large crane and what looks like a piledriver have just appeared on the site.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 11:09 AM   #123
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Nothing much on it yet, but there's a website for this now: www.nohosquare.com
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Old January 25th, 2008, 07:24 PM   #124
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Demolition is starting to be visible along Cleveland St.





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Old January 25th, 2008, 07:29 PM   #125
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As an ex-resident of Fitzrovia I can't begin to state HOW MUCH I HATE IT HOW LEECHING ESTATE AGENTS ARE TRYING TO REBRAND FITZROVIA 'NOHO.'



It really pisses me off. Noho is an New York thing, not a London thing and it sounds kitsch and tacky. No to Noho. And no to this development which will change Fitzrovia from a sleepy Victorian backwater with affordable mix of restaurants and student/advertisiting/new media vibe to a yuppie-glitzy hell hole.

I have a feeling that this development will wreck the area. I am NOT A FAN!

I wish the bloody Candy brothers would just stick with Ken & Chelsea with their development there. 'Noho' Square... **** off!

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Old January 25th, 2008, 07:34 PM   #126
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Old January 25th, 2008, 08:09 PM   #127
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Old January 25th, 2008, 08:49 PM   #128
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I think Fitzrovia sounds FAR more classy than 'Noho' - imagine telling people you lived in a place called Fitzrovia, they would 'oooh, that sounds nice'...tell them you live in 'Noho' and they would say "where??...what does that mean....No Hope???"
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Old January 26th, 2008, 12:03 AM   #129
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It really pisses me off. Noho is an New York thing, not a London thing and it sounds kitsch and tacky. No to Noho. And no to this development which will change Fitzrovia from a sleepy Victorian backwater with affordable mix of restaurants and student/advertisiting/new media vibe to a yuppie-glitzy hell hole.

I have a feeling that this development will wreck the area. I am NOT A FAN!

I wish the bloody Candy brothers would just stick with Ken & Chelsea with their development there. 'Noho' Square... **** off!
^ haha that made me laugh

been doing research for a hotel project and had to go to soem of the hotels in that area - i can tell you that place has been a yuppie-glitzy hell hole for quite some time already without the Candy brothers

(for those not familiar with the rarea just check out the celeb haunts of The Sanderson and the Charlotte Street Hotel to get an idea...

so ghetto....





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Old January 26th, 2008, 12:03 AM   #130
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eh? this building is neither graceful nor interesting.
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Old January 26th, 2008, 03:13 AM   #131
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What a mess! Once again, London's planning committees gone mad!!
The existing building should be listed!

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Old January 27th, 2008, 05:58 PM   #132
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Walking up Berners Street from Oxford Street, which would you rather be faced with... an opening into a public garden with birch trees and benches, or the current building?

Personally speaking, I'd rather the garden. But then I'm not really a fan of the current assortment of buildings.
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Old January 27th, 2008, 06:12 PM   #133
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What a crime! This old building should be listed. Obviously, greed is still ruling London. How many more old buildings need to vanish until London looks like every other large city with glass boxes?

I guess, as long as the Tower, Tower bridge, the Parliament building with Big Ben and St Paul's are not touched, EH won't give s***!

@ Manuel, storm991: I totally agree with you!
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Old January 29th, 2008, 03:45 PM   #134
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If they demolish the old skybridge to the rear of the hospital i will want to cut the candy brothers freaking balls off.

fitzrovia, where i lived for 3 years will be wrecked by identikit glass boxes, noho bloody f-ing square. why not call it wolff square or keynes place after the bloomsbury set that hung out around this area. no because the nouveaux riche who will purchase property in this development are the typical customers, oil rich arabs who steal off their citizens, rich russkys who've done the same (abrama/berezovky and co) and city boys with mega-bunce humungous bonuses.

i mean 'noho' ...... ffs!

this will 'not' improve the area. it will make it like everywhere else.

you picked the sanderson and the hotel on charlotte street.... fair enough they are quite glitzy but most of the rest of fitzrovia is sleepy and understated with victorian squares and back alleys with wonderful small cosy pubs that haven't been 'gastroed' 'de-carpeted' and 'uprated' yet. fitz has bags of local history.... and soon people will forget its name because some locust prop developers who are named after sweeties want to make themselves a few more mill.

don't get me wrong, i actually like this development, but i don't like that it is replacing the old hospital. and that it is in fitzrovia.

anyone who has actually lived in fitzrovia, day in day out will agree with me. the old hospital along with the marvellous BT Tower is the largest building in terms of footprint in fitzrovia and is key to keeping its charm and character.

this is a postmodern granite and glass yuppie blob spewed out from the rear end of the candy brothers.

and i'd prefer if it was located else where. amen.
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Old January 29th, 2008, 04:19 PM   #135
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^ The de-carpeting of pubs cannot happen fast enough Dom. Indeed if I had my way then all London pubs would be given immediate notice to "de-carpet" within one month, in the interests of hygiene and good taste, and on pain of closure, their landlords threatened with forcible exile and a term of penal servitude in Manchester.

And note that Charlotte Street is now one of the best restaurant streets in London - and not because of old stalwarts but rather because of attractive new places such as Rasa Samudra and Roka/Shochu. There's also the fabulous Hakkasan bringing light and glamour to one formerly dingy, piss-stained, and forgotten back alley (Hanway Place). I do not see these "yuppie" additions as being negative.

Although I dislike the new proposal - it's yet another one of those tasteless "irregular" facades that we'll be so ashamed of a few years from now - I cannot bring myself to think of the old Middlesex Hospital as some kind of architectural masterpiece. It was actually quite a dour and somewhat oppressive building.

However I agree on the fake rebranding of this area as "Noho". Fitzrovia is a more charming name that derives from the Fitzroy Tavern (later giving its name to Fitzroy Street and Fitzroy Square). However note that Fitzrovia is not a well known neighbourhood name in London. Most Londoners probably couldn't identify the area if you asked them to. The name "Fitzrovia" doesn't have long heritage either. Before the First World War it was generally considered to be part of Marylebone or Bloomsbury. However 80 years is enough heritage for me, and the bordering thoroughfares of Euston Road (north), Oxford Street (south), Tottenham Court Road (east), Upper Regent Street/Portland Place (west), do carve this square of almost-grid streets into a coherent entity worthy of its own name and identity.

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And note that Charlotte Street is now one of the best restaurant streets in London - and not because of old stalwarts but rather because of attractive new places such as Rasa Samudra and Roka/Shochu. There's also the fabulous Hakkasan bringing light and glamour to one formerly dingy, piss-stained, and forgotten back alley (Hanway Place). I do not see these "yuppie" additions as being negative.
I can't believe you don't quote Pied à Terre! that's surely by far the best of it on this street!
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^ I've never been there myself. But it's a most welcome addition to my argument.
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Old January 29th, 2008, 11:35 PM   #138
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Walking up Berners Street from Oxford Street, which would you rather be faced with... an opening into a public garden with birch trees and benches, or the current building?

Personally speaking, I'd rather the garden. But then I'm not really a fan of the current assortment of buildings.
Demolishing a Victorian-era building is one thing, but building on the site an abstract, non-conforming building is another! The uniformity that was once present will be lost forever.
Send some e-mails to EH I say!

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What a crime! This old building should be listed. Obviously, greed is still ruling London. How many more old buildings need to vanish until London looks like every other large city with glass boxes?

I guess, as long as the Tower, Tower bridge, the Parliament building with Big Ben and St Paul's are not touched, EH won't give s***!

@ Manuel, storm991: I totally agree with you!
Developers like C&C are not working for the beauty of London, which is what all development agencies should work towards, instead they demolish the relics of previous eras for their own pecuniary gain. The complex they're building at 1 Hyde Park is bearable, but this is absolutely silly. Either the members Westminster City Council have been payed off, or they've gone mad.

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Old January 29th, 2008, 11:45 PM   #139
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Since when has any developer built for the beauty of London? All throughout history London has been moulded by the ego and financial gain of the monolithic developer.
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Which is sad; is it that hard to design sane buildings?
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