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Old September 14th, 2007, 01:48 AM   #1
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MISC | Weird metro stretches

City planning occasionally results in useless metro stretches, huge detours, or weird routes.

Hamburg has at least two of them:

1. For decades already, line U1 is running underground very close to the university but doesn't have a station there, forcing thousands of university students into a crowded parallel bus line.

2. A new stretch with two stations will run in a huge bow of 3 or 4 km under the heart of the city but will not have a stop there, not even a transfer stop with a crossing line. The line will have the shape of a horseshoe, coming from the East and, after the huge bow, continuing to the South-East again:



Are there similarly extreme examples in other cities?

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Old September 14th, 2007, 02:51 AM   #2
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The only one I can think of at the top of my head is the uber-sharp turns between St Paul's and Liverpool Street on the Central line, in London. Apparently they're to avoid the vaults of the Bank of England itself.
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Old September 14th, 2007, 03:59 PM   #3
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The weirdest station that I know of is the SFO Airport Station on BART. The station is on a "Y". A train traveling from San Francisco to Millbrae via the airport must reverse direction at the airport station. There is a bypass track so that trains traveling from San Francisco to Millbrae can bypass the airport and avoid the need to reverse direction. There have been various permutations of service on this section of the route that included the above reversing sequence and have included alternating trains to the airport and to Millbrae without stopping at the airport with a shuttle train serving the short airport to Millbrae route. This mess is depicted on the map below at the end of the line just above the legend:



The above map is linked from the Urban Rail website < http://www.urbanrail.net/am/snfr/san-francisco.htm >:
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Old September 14th, 2007, 04:46 PM   #4
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Another unusual stretch/station is the Parisian ligne 10/station Mirabeau. Apart from the rather idiosyncratic split-per-direction on the left bank of the Seine river, trains travelling west actually visibly pass through Mirabeau station without stopping there (there is no platform, either).

Of course, when the Berlin Wall was still there, West Berlin's U6 and U8 were rather odd as well, both passing underneath East Berlin without stopping there (except for the even more odd U6 Friedrichsstrasse stop for West-Berliners within DDR territory). Line U2 had been split in two as well.

And NY has its Times Sq-GCT shuttle, once part of the first subway line in NY and linked to both the northern stretch of the Seventh Ave and the southern stretch of the Lexington Ave subways. The forming of the 'H-system' in the late teens/early twenties actually isolated this stretch and led to today's shuttle service (also explains why there are four tracks instead of two).

Or what about Newcastle? Probably the only system in the world where the transfer station (Monument) provides a transfer to...the same line. The orange line crosses this station twice: once on the upper, and once on the lower level.
Naples has such a line-crossing-itself as well, but without a transfer possibility.
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Old September 14th, 2007, 05:15 PM   #5
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Oslo got cold metro ;)





Majorstuen station in summer and winter. Majorstuen isnt any weird station, but the stretch toward the tunnel and to the next station which is underground, takes about 3 to 4 mins. There was a Valkyrie station, but its to close to Majorstuen station and have only possibility of taking 2 wagons.

Rest of the stretches between stations takes about 0 to 2 min.
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Old September 14th, 2007, 05:44 PM   #6
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Singapore's Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) Downtown Line (Subway Line opening in 3 stages in 2013, 2015 & 2018)

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It has this odd loop in the middle. One would wonder what the transfer arrangements will be for someone travelling westwards from the east but have to sit through a looping journey through the city center even though his destination is on the same line.

One would also wonder if the line will be split up into different lines in the future.
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Old September 14th, 2007, 08:00 PM   #7
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The only one I can think of at the top of my head is the uber-sharp turns between St Paul's and Liverpool Street on the Central line, in London. Apparently they're to avoid the vaults of the Bank of England itself.
That's a myth: the twists & turns are just following the streets above

The 1900's ruling that a Tube railway should pay reparations to any building it tunnelled underneath led to some really torturous twists and turns in the original Tube lines as they strictly followed roads above: even to the extent that where the road was too narrow, the tunnels are stacked one above the other.

Notable examples are:

South Kensington to the former Brompton Road (Piccadilly Line)
Central Line west of Shepherd's Bush (Caxton Curve)
Piccadilly Line immediately south / west of Holborn
Central Line between St Paul's and Liverpool Street
Several stretches of the Bakerloo Line (e.g. through Piccadilly Circus & Waterloo)

You can trace the routes of these lines easily enough on an A to Z road atlas
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Old September 14th, 2007, 09:58 PM   #8
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Hong Kong MTR Island Line: the adjacent stations of Wanchai and Causeway Bay are stacked. I assume the track between them is stacked, too.
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Old September 14th, 2007, 10:29 PM   #9
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Another unusual stretch/station is the Parisian ligne 10/station Mirabeau. Apart from the rather idiosyncratic split-per-direction on the left bank of the Seine river, trains travelling west actually visibly pass through Mirabeau station without stopping there (there is no platform, either).
Originally there was a loop and the line ended there. There are others one-way metro loops in the world.

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Or what about Newcastle? Probably the only system in the world where the transfer station (Monument) provides a transfer to...the same line. The orange line crosses this station twice: once on the upper, and once on the lower level.
Vancouver is in a similar situation.

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Naples has such a line-crossing-itself as well, but without a transfer possibility.
Naples lies on hills and thus line 1 has one spiral, just like the Gotthard, Simplon or Tenda railways in Europe.
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Taipei Metro's Neihu line... look at the huge detour near the airport

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Old September 16th, 2007, 09:55 PM   #11
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Taipei Metro's Neihu line... look at the huge detour near the airport

Is that because the Neihu Line's an elevated line and thus it can't just go anywhere like an underground line can because buildings are in the way?
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Old September 16th, 2007, 10:11 PM   #12
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It has this odd loop in the middle. One would wonder what the transfer arrangements will be for someone travelling westwards from the east but have to sit through a looping journey through the city center even though his destination is on the same line.

One would also wonder if the line will be split up into different lines in the future.
That loop is very stupid, I can imagine the congestion at the interchange station where everyone going to stops beyond the loop has to alight and change trains.
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That's the hallmark of most metro systems: having to change trains to reach your destination...Therefore I don't see what the problem really is...
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Old September 17th, 2007, 12:42 AM   #14
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That loop is very stupid, I can imagine the congestion at the interchange station where everyone going to stops beyond the loop has to alight and change trains.
Depends on how they will design the interchange modes at that station. If it is possible to continue the journey on the ring with a transfer at the same platform, possibly with synchronized timetables, it can be acceptable.
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That's a myth: the twists & turns are just following the streets above
I know that, but I heard that 2 of the curves are to avoid the Bank, whereas there are like 7 curves on that stretch of line.

Maybe this doesn't fall into the category, but I find it interesting anyway.

Stratford station on the Central line, you come out of the tunnel up a steep incline for cross platform interchange with NR, and then dive back underground, only to come overground a few km north!

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Old September 17th, 2007, 01:48 AM   #16
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Vienna's U1 passes the Southern train station about 800m to the west and the the much celebrated southern U2 extension will basically circle around the station. That doesn't make any sense at all, as that particular station will serve as Vienna's central station from 2012. So we'll have a wonderful new station and two metro lines that miss it. The only connection between the city center and the station will be one single tram line. Great....
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Old September 17th, 2007, 05:40 AM   #17
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Singapore's Mass Rapid Transit (MRT) Downtown Line (Subway Line opening in 3 stages in 2013, 2015 & 2018)

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It has this odd loop in the middle. One would wonder what the transfer arrangements will be for someone travelling westwards from the east but have to sit through a looping journey through the city center even though his destination is on the same line.

One would also wonder if the line will be split up into different lines in the future.
Strangely the Circle Line doesn't form a loop itself. Would it be possible to have the 10 terminus take over part of the Downtown Line loop? A lot of the crossing lines in the downtown core don't actually have transfer stations, probably to prevent the confusion that all the looping lines cause.
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Old September 17th, 2007, 09:38 AM   #18
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That's the hallmark of most metro systems: having to change trains to reach your destination...Therefore I don't see what the problem really is...
The problem is... it's the same line
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Strangely the Circle Line doesn't form a loop itself. Would it be possible to have the 10 terminus take over part of the Downtown Line loop? A lot of the crossing lines in the downtown core don't actually have transfer stations, probably to prevent the confusion that all the looping lines cause.
The map shown is not really representative of the geographical route of the subway system (since its not an official map but one created by a subway fanatic), so parts where lines run parallel to each other in reality don't. So you can't really create interchange stations.

Anyway it is envisaged that the 10 terminus will be extended to the 6 terminus in the future, but because there's nothing in between them now (no significant population centres to connect) there are no plans to extend it for now. The section between the 6 and 9 terminus is part of the plans to create the final loop, but it is not planned to be constructed in the near future.
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The problem is... it's the same line
So what? Happens more often than you think: Newcastle, Vancouver, Napoli...
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