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Old October 10th, 2012, 07:36 AM   #3201
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This is neither brutalist nor ugly. It's funny how on SSC most people have a very bad knowldege of architecture.


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If you see it live, you'll understand it perfectly fits into the context, unlike most towers on this thread, and you'll appreciate its design.
It's not brutalist, it's not an ugly residential block. It's a nice and innovative tower from the 50's. It is more like a monument already.
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Old October 10th, 2012, 09:45 AM   #3202
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With all respect for the Valesca and all people from Milan who do love the building. But whether a building fits in its environnement or not does not change the look of a building itself. Neither is it important which architectural style it's build in. If people find a building ugly then it's their opinion, that doesn't necessarily mean they have a bad knowledge regarding architecture but a "good taste". I don't like the Valesca neither, probably because it's such a messy tower, why are some windows left out for example? Though I'm not going to hate on the Valesca, it does go nice together with the cathedral and its surroundings, but on itself the Valesca is kinda ugly, taste dares to differ.
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Old October 10th, 2012, 11:04 AM   #3203
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Ezio would have a hard time climbing this tower
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Old October 10th, 2012, 12:54 PM   #3204
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I attempted to redesign the infamous Elephant Building :P
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Wow, this looks very good
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Old October 10th, 2012, 03:25 PM   #3205
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This is neither brutalist nor ugly. It's funny how on SSC most people have a very bad knowldege of architecture.



If you see it live, you'll understand it perfectly fits into the context, unlike most towers on this thread, and you'll appreciate its design.
It's not brutalist, it's not an ugly residential block. It's a nice and innovative tower from the 50's. It is more like a monument already.


lol this guy must be from italy
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Old October 10th, 2012, 05:19 PM   #3206
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This is neither brutalist nor ugly. It's funny how on SSC most people have a very bad knowldege of architecture.
Bad knowledge? I think it's just plain ugly
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Old October 10th, 2012, 11:36 PM   #3207
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With all respect for the Valesca and all people from Milan who do love the building. But whether a building fits in its environnement or not does not change the look of a building itself. Neither is it important which architectural style it's build in. If people find a building ugly then it's their opinion, that doesn't necessarily mean they have a bad knowledge regarding architecture but a "good taste". I don't like the Valesca neither, probably because it's such a messy tower, why are some windows left out for example? Though I'm not going to hate on the Valesca, it does go nice together with the cathedral and its surroundings, but on itself the Valesca is kinda ugly, taste dares to differ.
Why are some windows left out? Design...It makes the facade look more interesting.

No, we have TONS of ugly buildings in Italy, it's not a matter of national pride. Sometimes you have to go a little bit further and try to understand WHY it was built like this. You can't just see a bad picture and say: ugly!

And yes, the surrounding environment is relevant. Rockfeller Center would be horrible if built in the same location of the Velasca tower . The particular design of the Velasca is studied to "dialogue" with the gothic domes and shapes of the Duomo di Milano and with the Castello Sforzesco, as you already mentioned. A boxy building with glass facades in the same location would be much uglier.

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Anyways, seriously? Do you really want to compare this tower with the 300-500 m tall monster towers shown in this thread? This tower is shown in every school book in Italy as a perfect example of contamination between old and new. National pride? You can still don't like the tower, but I don't think it really deserves to be here.
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Old October 10th, 2012, 11:54 PM   #3208
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Do you really want to compare this tower with the 300-500 m tall monster towers shown in this thread?
I don't want to, but it seems people think it fits here, that doesn't necissarily mean it's a really bad tower, but shows it has some aspects to it that make it less appealing than other buildings around the world. I would never quote the Valesca in here (although I don't like its window sheme) but if people think it fits here then you need to respect their opinion about that. Noone wouldn't mind if you said you'd disagree but there's no point in trying to explain why a building is how it is, since it wouldn't change their opinion. On the other hand, if I would ever get the chance to visit the Valesca from the inside I would seize the opportunity. I just wanted to remind you on the fact that tastes dare to differ and there's no point in discussing taste, since it only leads to hatred towards one another.
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Old October 11th, 2012, 12:12 AM   #3209
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The roof is the ugliest part of that building. I don't know anybody who likes cheap old windows, rusted roofs, and ugly satellite dishes sticking out.
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Old October 11th, 2012, 06:30 AM   #3210
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Old October 11th, 2012, 08:12 AM   #3211
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
What one person thinks ugly may not seem ugly to somebody else.

No matter how building is historically important or a architecturally monument,
Beauty is beauty and ugliness is ugy to somebody else.
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Old October 11th, 2012, 10:45 AM   #3212
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Old October 11th, 2012, 10:39 PM   #3213
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If you refer to the skyscraper, okay. If you refer to the Duomo, how dare you!
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Old October 12th, 2012, 04:41 AM   #3214
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look inside this church
I think it's not so ugly...
how about?

http://riodejaneiroviajes.com/catedr...e-janeiro/130/
I love this church, very unique
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Old October 12th, 2012, 04:49 AM   #3215
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Old October 12th, 2012, 09:27 PM   #3216
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Funny thread!

What can you say about this building guys?

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Old October 12th, 2012, 11:07 PM   #3217
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I don't want to, but it seems people think it fits here, that doesn't necissarily mean it's a really bad tower, but shows it has some aspects to it that make it less appealing than other buildings around the world. I would never quote the Valesca in here (although I don't like its window sheme) but if people think it fits here then you need to respect their opinion about that. Noone wouldn't mind if you said you'd disagree but there's no point in trying to explain why a building is how it is, since it wouldn't change their opinion. On the other hand, if I would ever get the chance to visit the Valesca from the inside I would seize the opportunity. I just wanted to remind you on the fact that tastes dare to differ and there's no point in discussing taste, since it only leads to hatred towards one another.
I think one should always try to understand architecture, which is a form of art. Otherwise we will always end up having mainstream opinions. Once you have known more about things, you can decide whether you like them or not, imho.

P.S. old windows and satellite dishes tell us the tower needs a renovation. Everyone would agree on that, since it was built in 1958. I was talking about the "concept" behind it.
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Old October 12th, 2012, 11:20 PM   #3218
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Old October 13th, 2012, 12:28 AM   #3219
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So you say this is a Skyscraper?
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Old October 13th, 2012, 01:16 AM   #3220
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I like the use of Cor-tan steel in that building, but the entrance is ugly.
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