California's Best And Worst Mid-Sized City Downtowns - Page 4

rst22 · March 18th, 2009, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by qymekkam

you cant compare visalia with fresno. fresno is better its just that you guys only go ti the bad parts of downtown

Fresno's best area is the Tower District. It just has a lousy DTWN.

GintongPinoy · March 18th, 2009, 04:36 AM

Although Downtown Oakland isn't big, and has the big filling in terms of crowds. I wish it would, but Downtown Oakland is opening up a lot of bars, restaurants, and whatnot which is a step closer to DTO's vision to revitalization. Not to be a city-homeboy kind of fan, but I think Downtown Oakland is good for it's current situation, but I hope things change.

Phriggin' Ogre · March 18th, 2009, 10:33 AM

I agree with the list, theres nothing to see in downtown San Bernardino except shady hookers.

OneMetropolis · March 22nd, 2009, 01:15 AM

San Diego's downtown is not that great. I'd say Downtown Los Angeles deserves to be compared with San Francisco.

JoshuaSantos · March 22nd, 2009, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by OneMetropolis

San Diego's downtown is not that great. I'd say Downtown Los Angeles deserves to be compared with San Francisco.

Downtown LA has excellent height, but when you look down at the street activity, it just doesn't compare well to San Diego... not yet anyway. They're working on it though, and LA is a city where things can change pretty quickly. As for SF vs. downtown LA, they're not even at the same level if you're looking at anything besides the buildings themselves. You'll see vibrant 24/7 activity in SF... not so much in LA.

ThatDarnSacramentan · March 22nd, 2009, 02:29 AM

I will admit, Downtown Sacramento could use some work. Right now, Midtown is where everything is (Second Saturday, the bars, restaurants, art galleries, etc). However, I think downtown could turn into a much larger center for bustling people if A) the proposed "old" trolley thing is put in place, adding a historic touch to things, B) if J Street tears down the old decrepit two stories and make things denser, C) if Capitol Mall gets some another tall or two, especially the new parking lot on top of the old Lot A, and D) if perhaps one or two of the underused parking garages downtown were turned into something else. Downtown has a lot of potential, and a lot is happening in terms of making it better. Everything from the Big Fix to the Crocker expansion is helping, and I know my city needs it. After all, we are California's capitol and fourth city.

qymekkam · March 22nd, 2009, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by lfcsr11

wow, those pictures of Fresno were depressing,

but wait til you see it in person, believe it or not, it gets much worse, when your driving down highway 99 you can barely see it, I think downtown Visalia is a bit better and its tallest are 6,8 and 9 story buildings

depressing. does this look depressing

image hosted on flickr

ThatDarnSacramentan · March 22nd, 2009, 03:45 AM

It doesn't look depressing, per se. Looks lifeless to me, except for that first image, although that's pretty empty for a baseball game. Probably because so many people left after the Rivercats beat ya'.

JoshuaSantos · March 23rd, 2009, 06:08 AM

Yes, it looks pretty depressing. On a side note... downtown Fresno is the only place outside of Mexico where someone tried to sell me gold on the street. To prove it was real gold he pulled out a lighter and started burning it... that was my first and last time in downtown Fresno.

GTR22 · March 23rd, 2009, 06:16 AM

Wheres all the people?

OneMetropolis · March 23rd, 2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshuaSantos

Downtown LA has excellent height, but when you look down at the street activity, it just doesn't compare well to San Diego... not yet anyway. They're working on it though, and LA is a city where things can change pretty quickly. As for SF vs. downtown LA, they're not even at the same level if you're looking at anything besides the buildings themselves. You'll see vibrant 24/7 activity in SF... not so much in LA.

great post. I have to agree.

qymekkam · March 24th, 2009, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshuaSantos

Yes, it looks pretty depressing. On a side note... downtown Fresno is the only place outside of Mexico where someone tried to sell me gold on the street. To prove it was real gold he pulled out a lighter and started burning it... that was my first and last time in downtown Fresno.

lol to prove its real he burned it. if it was real what did he do with the liquid gold he had

qymekkam · March 24th, 2009, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatDarnSacramentan

It doesn't look depressing, per se. Looks lifeless to me, except for that first image, although that's pretty empty for a baseball game. Probably because so many people left after the Rivercats beat ya'.

the stadium is full in the fourth pic

JoshuaSantos · March 24th, 2009, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by qymekkam

lol to prove its real he burned it. if it was real what did he do with the liquid gold he had

I think (can't say for sure), but I think he was trying to prove that it wasn't some fake gold because the flame would turn a different color... or maybe that the gold is just paint and you would see something silver after burning it. Really, I have no clue and this guy scared the crap out of me. It was the ghettoest thing I have ever seen...

GintongPinoy · April 13th, 2009, 01:04 PM

The ratings are based towards the size of the downtown, and I don't think activity is relevant to that rating.

You call this small? It's pretty mid-size to me. Not the biggest, but it's getting there. The
activities are kicking up though, thanks to the opening up numerous businesses in Uptown.

veryprotourism · April 14th, 2009, 07:27 PM

i can't believe anyone is praising santa rosa.

it looks from the photos to be an office park with a nice little commercial strip.

never personally been there, but based on the photos alone i'll take fresno over that crap any day.

san luis obispo looks sweet though.

SDfan · April 15th, 2009, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by OneMetropolis

San Diego's downtown is not that great. I'd say Downtown Los Angeles deserves to be compared with San Francisco.

You're such a downer...I'm tempted to ask if you've even been downtown (sd).

SF wins...if it was mid-sized...

JoshuaSantos · April 16th, 2009, 01:54 AM

I went to downtown Santa Rosa not to long ago, and it was actually pretty nice. A lot of great restaurants, Macy's, some nice parks and shops. It is larger than what I was expecting... several blocks in each direction. Unless Fresno has drastically changed over the last few years, I don't see how you could choose Fresno (unless you're a ghetto thug and that's your scene).

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Originally Posted by veryprotourism

i can't believe anyone is praising santa rosa.

it looks from the photos to be an office park with a nice little commercial strip.

never personally been there, but based on the photos alone i'll take fresno over that crap any day.

san luis obispo looks sweet though.

qymekkam · May 21st, 2009, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by veryprotourism

i can't believe anyone is praising santa rosa.

it looks from the photos to be an office park with a nice little commercial strip.

never personally been there, but based on the photos alone i'll take fresno over that crap any day.

san luis obispo looks sweet though.

ill take that as a compliment to Fresno

qymekkam · May 21st, 2009, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshuaSantos

I went to downtown Santa Rosa not to long ago, and it was actually pretty nice. A lot of great restaurants, Macy's, some nice parks and shops. It is larger than what I was expecting... several blocks in each direction. Unless Fresno has drastically changed over the last few years, I don't see how you could choose Fresno (unless you're a ghetto thug and that's your scene).

so what your saying is im a ghetto thug

March 18th, 2009, 04:36 AM	#62
GintongPinoy Baydestrian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Oakland Posts: 6 Likes (Received): 0	Although Downtown Oakland isn't big, and has the big filling in terms of crowds. I wish it would, but Downtown Oakland is opening up a lot of bars, restaurants, and whatnot which is a step closer to DTO's vision to revitalization. Not to be a city-homeboy kind of fan, but I think Downtown Oakland is good for it's current situation, but I hope things change. __________________ Pangasinan, Philippines \| Oakland, CA

March 18th, 2009, 10:33 AM	#63
Phriggin' Ogre American't Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Central Washington[currently] Greater Los Angeles California, Greater Guadalajara, Jalisco[formerly] Posts: 662 Likes (Received): 123	I agree with the list, theres nothing to see in downtown San Bernardino except shady hookers. __________________ Everything for Everyone and nothing for Myself

March 22nd, 2009, 02:29 AM	#66
ThatDarnSacramentan The Punk With the Camera Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: PORTLANDIA Posts: 8,582 Likes (Received): 6	I will admit, Downtown Sacramento could use some work. Right now, Midtown is where everything is (Second Saturday, the bars, restaurants, art galleries, etc). However, I think downtown could turn into a much larger center for bustling people if A) the proposed "old" trolley thing is put in place, adding a historic touch to things, B) if J Street tears down the old decrepit two stories and make things denser, C) if Capitol Mall gets some another tall or two, especially the new parking lot on top of the old Lot A, and D) if perhaps one or two of the underused parking garages downtown were turned into something else. Downtown has a lot of potential, and a lot is happening in terms of making it better. Everything from the Big Fix to the Crocker expansion is helping, and I know my city needs it. After all, we are California's capitol and fourth city. __________________ Everybody's out on the run tonight, but there's no place left to hide.

March 22nd, 2009, 03:45 AM	#68
ThatDarnSacramentan The Punk With the Camera Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: PORTLANDIA Posts: 8,582 Likes (Received): 6	It doesn't look depressing, per se. Looks lifeless to me, except for that first image, although that's pretty empty for a baseball game. Probably because so many people left after the Rivercats beat ya'. __________________ Everybody's out on the run tonight, but there's no place left to hide.

March 23rd, 2009, 06:16 AM	#70
GTR22 お好み焼き！ Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Francisco Posts: 173 Likes (Received): 0	Wheres all the people? __________________ CITY/ INDUSTRY

March 22nd, 2009, 01:15 AM	#64
OneMetropolis 99.9%-Urban .1%-Me Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 42 Likes (Received): 0	San Diego's downtown is not that great. I'd say Downtown Los Angeles deserves to be compared with San Francisco.

March 23rd, 2009, 06:08 AM	#69
JoshuaSantos thesanjoseblog.com Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: San Jose Posts: 481 Likes (Received): 3	Yes, it looks pretty depressing. On a side note... downtown Fresno is the only place outside of Mexico where someone tried to sell me gold on the street. To prove it was real gold he pulled out a lighter and started burning it... that was my first and last time in downtown Fresno.

April 13th, 2009, 01:04 PM	#75
GintongPinoy Baydestrian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Oakland Posts: 6 Likes (Received): 0	The ratings are based towards the size of the downtown, and I don't think activity is relevant to that rating. You call this small? It's pretty mid-size to me. Not the biggest, but it's getting there. The activities are kicking up though, thanks to the opening up numerous businesses in Uptown. __________________ Pangasinan, Philippines \| Oakland, CA

April 14th, 2009, 07:27 PM	#76
veryprotourism registered boozer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: upstate disgruntled Posts: 1,099 Likes (Received): 0	i can't believe anyone is praising santa rosa. it looks from the photos to be an office park with a nice little commercial strip. never personally been there, but based on the photos alone i'll take fresno over that crap any day. san luis obispo looks sweet though.

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