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Old August 10th, 2011, 06:04 AM   #2381
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and the world's largest clock , the world's highest clock , the skyscraper with the biggest hole in the world (kingdom centre)
i know bigger "holes" .. some even in Riyadh itself
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Old August 10th, 2011, 06:21 AM   #2382
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Making a sand castle replica on the site so all the workers can see what they have to build.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 06:59 AM   #2383
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What will be the first stages in prep work for this tower?
Hi Dirty.

Surveying
Setting up de-watering
Excavation
Piling

Just a generic list that barely scrapes the surface per se. Projects have such varying plans that do things in such different order, the only thing for sure is that surveying will be very near the top of the list.


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Old August 10th, 2011, 07:21 AM   #2384
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i know bigger "holes" .. some even in Riyadh itself
Riyadh is a hole
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Old August 10th, 2011, 09:04 AM   #2385
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Hi all.

Hi Yankee.

In short - it isn't IMO.

For some reason a lowball figure is thrown around.
The BK number is 1.5 billion. I have totals at 3.78 from before inauguration.



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As these figures are from an earlier/lower revision for the structure, when completed it will be more like 4 to 4.5 billion.
That doesn't include any of the foundation costs (for the main structure) or any of the design phase costs which could easily be another half billion.
So from 1.5 claimed to 5 in reality - these figures are in USD.

Yes the labor is much cheaper than in North America but this project will probably be well over 5 billion - substantially more if it was being built in NA.


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I tend to agree with Ray on this. Typical cost for a super tall in the US or Europe tends to over $ 800/ SF whereas a tall building tends to cost around $ 600/SF. Although India does not have many super talls yet to compare against, I understand some of the new tall buildings coming up there are being contracted at around $ 150 - 250/SF. The Saudi cost levels should be between the two, but closer to the former due to similarities in labor and material costs, say around $ 300 - 400.

That said, considering the sheer complexity of this building, especially its foundations and logistics, I would think that the final costs will be far in excess of the $ 1.5 Billion currently contracted out at. The Kingdom Tower will be breaking new ground in a lot of areas, and that usually means that cost estimation will be more an informed guess than pure science.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 09:08 AM   #2386
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I personally would favor Megatall for 600-999m towers an Ultra or Hypertall for towers above 1000m . but that's just my small mind .

back to topic: i hope the current Financial Crisis won't stop this project
Lol, I do hope that this is just a hiccup and not a "crisis"! I agree with ZZ that we need a new set of categories for the tallest buildings. Super-tall encompasses 300-1000 m, that is a range of 200%!
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Old August 10th, 2011, 04:02 PM   #2387
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so when will construction start ?
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Old August 10th, 2011, 04:10 PM   #2388
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The rumour mill says December 2011.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 04:32 PM   #2389
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The rumour mill says December 2011.
That doesn't sound to assuring, but you never know...
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Old August 10th, 2011, 07:21 PM   #2390
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Markets are running so bad right now. What are the consequences for this tower?
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Old August 10th, 2011, 07:35 PM   #2391
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Definitely nothing good. However, the extend of this is still debatable, after all, Saudi Arabia is having the best year of all times with the war in Libya.
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Definitely nothing good. However, the extend of this is still debatable, after all, Saudi Arabia is having the best year of all times with the war in Libya.
Valid point! Aside from oil flow, which has actually dropped alot by the barrel, productivity in SA is great
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Valid point! Aside from oil flow, which has actually dropped alot by the barrel, productivity in SA is great
unlike dubai, the government is not financing the tower, its a private company (alwaleeds "kingdom" company)..
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Old August 10th, 2011, 09:13 PM   #2394
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unlike dubai, the government is not financing the tower, its a private company (alwaleeds "kingdom" company)..
Yes but economy does influence individuals and private wealth. I'm sure alwaleed will not be affected much any how.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 09:19 PM   #2395
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unlike dubai, the government is not financing the tower, its a private company (alwaleeds "kingdom" company)..
Dubai's government/ nakheel's large investments in Dubai are in a deep pit. Now nakheel's investing in a 10 billion debt restructure. Now not even credit can save them. I hope this doesnt happen to Jeddah (alwaleed) seeing that he is supposed to throw in around $20 billion into the entire project.
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Old August 11th, 2011, 10:59 AM   #2396
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Old August 11th, 2011, 11:58 PM   #2397
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Old August 12th, 2011, 03:11 AM   #2398
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Dubai's government/ nakheel's large investments in Dubai are in a deep pit. Now nakheel's investing in a 10 billion debt restructure. Now not even credit can save them. I hope this doesnt happen to Jeddah (alwaleed) seeing that he is supposed to throw in around $20 billion into the entire project.
$20 bln is the estimated value of the entire "Kingdom City" project. The tower itself costs far less. Also, in my previous post I mentioned that KHC are not funding the construction of the tower. They are merely providing the land. The only investors putting cash in are SBG. The rest of the financing will come from loans which the banks would be happy to make since they'd use the land bank as a security.
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Old August 12th, 2011, 04:05 AM   #2399
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What a waste of time
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Old August 12th, 2011, 10:57 AM   #2400
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You're talking about this diagram eh? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mi...on_diagram.jpg


There should indeed be an updated version. Otie is our best guy when it comes to great diagrams I think.
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