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Old August 12th, 2011, 03:20 PM   #2401
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Yeah, i'd actually like to have a diagram showing both towers. A diagram for each, I mean. That article is going to be on the front page of wikipedia soon. In the DYK section. Later, if it hits the news big again it will be in the even more prominent "in the news" section. I made like 800 edits to get that article where it is. All from my phone. There is still lots of news going on about the tower. ConstructionWeek just put out a couple good contruction-related/concrete articles, I can"t believe how dead this thread is; what happened? If anything, progress is getting expedited on the tower. Now everyone is saying construction will start "immediately" and it's expected to be finished in late 2016, where as at first (last week) December 2011 was the start-date goal. Another thing that would be great besides the two comparison diagrams would be one of those old pics of the site back in '08 when it looked like it was U/C. With a little help and more good news, the wikipedia article could potentially become a featured article, the highest status, considered the best of wikipedia. Less than 1 out of 1,100 articles are featured and there mostly on history stuff like old Presidents, certainly not building articles, most building articles are actually low quality (unless they're historical), that's why I commandered this one early so it doesn't go in such a bad direction. The notes thing is crucial to make qualitative arguments which most articles don't have. For example, Fury hates wikipedia because he thinks the BK floor area is way off and totally wrong, even though it was taken directly from CTBUH. I could add a note in that links to the bottom of the article and discusses other purported floor areas.

But yeah, that's the image, did you read the article? I want some feedback on it from here on it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_Tower

By the way, if anyone does decide to upload a site pic or a comparison diagram, or anything that's theirs, it goes here and it's really easy now:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard

And it's not like you're giving it away, in fact, people are more likely to credit you and you're more likely to get noticed for your work from a more respectable source wheras here they would just take the image, and I'm sure people do.
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Old August 12th, 2011, 09:48 PM   #2402
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The interview with architect Adrian Smith is now on YouTube:

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Old August 13th, 2011, 03:24 AM   #2403
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There should indeed be an updated version. Otie is our best guy when it comes to great diagrams I think.
Culwulla and John are the ones, I'll do my best once official floor height information gets released.
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Old August 13th, 2011, 03:38 AM   #2404
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Old August 13th, 2011, 03:54 AM   #2405
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this would be amazing when it starts construction
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Old August 13th, 2011, 04:12 AM   #2406
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this would be amazing when it starts construction
if started , this thread maybe the 1st most viewed thread on the website ..
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Old August 13th, 2011, 04:33 AM   #2407
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Hi all.

Otie does have a great 1WTC diagram - no doubt.
As Otie posted himself, Cul has been doing diagrams for years on many different structures.

Hi Miami.

The BK wiki has many inaccuracies. The square footage is an issue where my info doesn't agree with the council. On that one it's hard to say who has the correct number.

The inaccuracies on wiki in general has nothing to do with why I don't participate. I've never said that. The reason is that anyone can change it back to incorrect after someone corrects it. Imagine after all your work on the KT, someone goes in and screws it all up.

Anyway I did want to say, after perusing your work on the KT wiki page, it looks good. One of the better pages there. Good job.


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Old August 13th, 2011, 05:31 AM   #2408
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Old August 13th, 2011, 06:07 AM   #2409
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Old August 13th, 2011, 07:56 AM   #2410
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Old August 13th, 2011, 10:09 AM   #2411
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Thanks. When did you read it? Because I've added a lot every day, even some today, I'm trying to understand more about the makeup of Jeddah Economic Company, I know it's basically a big partnership, but I don't know all the stakeholder's percentages other than SBG's 16%.
Jeddah Economic Company is a closed joint stock company (saudi equivalent to an LLC/Ltd/GMBH etc..) with a paid up capital of SR 8.8 bln .
It's shareholders are: Kingdom Holding Company (33.35%) , Abrar Holding Company (33.35%), Abdelrahman Shurbatly (16.67%), Saudi Binladin Group (16.63%). It has assets with a book value of SR 7.3 bln (a land bank of 5.3 million square meters), and Sr 1.5 bln in cash.
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I hoped this will not get built. It seams my wishes will come true.
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Old August 13th, 2011, 12:45 PM   #2413
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Old August 13th, 2011, 02:30 PM   #2414
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Jeddah Economic Company is a closed joint stock company (saudi equivalent to an LLC/Ltd/GMBH etc..) with a paid up capital of SR 8.8 bln .
It's shareholders are: Kingdom Holding Company (33.35%) , Abrar Holding Company (33.35%), Abdelrahman Shurbatly (16.67%), Saudi Binladin Group (16.63%). It has assets with a book value of SR 7.3 bln (a land bank of 5.3 million square meters), and Sr 1.5 bln in cash.
Thank you for this good information. Did you spell the names right or did another source have them wrong? Is Samaual Bakhsh part of Abrar Holding Company?

Is it only a coincidence that their land value is exactly 10x the "total building area" of Kingdom Tower?
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Old August 13th, 2011, 07:09 PM   #2415
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Abrar is owned by the Bakhsh family.

Regarding spelling, sorry man we don't have a standard transliteration system like Chinese. Everyone spells their name in English as they like. Looking it up, the Sharbatly family writes their name like this: http://www.sharbatlyfruit.com/sharbatly/background.php

As for the relationship between land area and floor area, no significance IMO.
What is interesting though is the book value of the land (7.3 bln) is twice the amount they need to borrow (3.6 bln). I'm guessing the 1.5 bln cash + 3.6 bln debt financing structure for phase one is directly related to that (it is a lot of over collateralisation, but the banks are leary of property developers in Saudi).
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Old August 13th, 2011, 07:57 PM   #2416
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That is just absurd... What is the maintenance cost of a tower this height compared to a standard 300m super-tall?
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Old August 13th, 2011, 10:29 PM   #2417
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this project has a "kingdom city" around it.
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Old August 14th, 2011, 03:20 AM   #2418
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Guys, this is the image I'm talking about that's gonna get deleted; see how mediocre it is? All I'm asking is for someone to take 5-10 minutes and make one of these (more up to date and without burj al mubarak) for kingdom tower and one (like this one; still without burj al mubarak) for mile-high tower. Thanks.

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Old August 14th, 2011, 03:32 AM   #2419
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What is going to fill this up?
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Old August 14th, 2011, 05:07 AM   #2420
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The Kingdom Tower DYK on the Front Page of Wikipedia just went live:
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