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Old December 28th, 2011, 09:54 PM   #2961
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Well to be honest 50 storeys is not tall by US standards and as far as the middle east goes I think you mean China and Korea, Dubai and Doha's tallest buildings were canceled because of the recession, the only massive tower (maybe) going up in the middle east is that one in Saudi Arabia, but as far as future megatalls, I would look to the east orient.

I don't think anyone can say anything about the US, it's too early
Yeah thats my point. The US has so many buildings over 50 storeys so how many megatalls would they need. There is something like 200 skyscrapers in Chicago and New York alone I think
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Old December 28th, 2011, 09:55 PM   #2962
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Old December 28th, 2011, 10:02 PM   #2963
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By this I assume you mean most development in the States will be cost-conscious and therefore lack the extravegance of many supertalls, correct? While there is some merit to that philosophy I think it sells architecture in general short, and I also think that market cycles in the US will be decidedly shorter and more dynamic than times in the past. Thus, 20-30 years out is a very long way to presume terms, especially for a country that's still growing quite strongly.

Increased urbanity is coming to the States one way or the other, and there remains enough wealth and vision for someone to call for something inspiring, even if it doesn't exude the pomp and flair of many current supertalls. Tall =\= visionary or beautiful, necessarily.
You need to understand one thing...

Today, the US / Canada will never build a super high skyscraper with the intention of wanting to show the rest of the world, something like ''Hey! Look at me, I reached the highest point'', this is the stuff of emerging Asian countries who want to gain visibility, the U.S. has already passed that stage.

America doesn't need the world visibility (it already has plenty of it).

These buildings will only occur if there is demand and satisfactory financial return, and with these criteria, we will not see a 2000 foot taller for many, many years, probably decades.

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Old December 28th, 2011, 10:11 PM   #2964
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I'm afraid you're wrong

A, more world visibility is always esential and I'd say very esential even for world's country no. 1 (which is the US)

B, technology progress moves quickly and shows no signs of slowing down so I bet that in a decade or two megatalls will be as economicaly feasible as today's supertalls.

So I stand by my opinion that we'll see megatalls in the US soon. Though not the world's tallest building. I think that for at least a decade the arab world will hold this title. With Burj Khalifa and the Kingdom Tower the oil rich arab countries have shown that they don't care the slightest about function. they want only height, height and more height. That's why I think both the US and China and South Korea will have huge troubles taking the title outta the arabs' hands
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Old December 28th, 2011, 10:31 PM   #2965
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I would like to know, how high would be skyscraper year 2500.
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Old December 28th, 2011, 10:51 PM   #2966
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You need to understand one thing...

Today, the US / Canada will never build a super high skyscraper with the intention of wanting to show the rest of the world, something like ''Hey! Look at me, I reached the highest point'', this is the stuff of emerging Asian countries who want to gain visibility, the U.S. has already passed that stage.

America doesn't need the world visibility (it already has plenty of it).

These buildings will only occur if there is demand and satisfactory financial return, and with these criteria, we will not see a 2000 foot taller for many, many years, probably decades.
I thought that the US wanted to build big just to show off to the world.
I thought that was what the spike in Washington was for or that arch in St Louis. I could be wrong.
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Old December 28th, 2011, 11:36 PM   #2967
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Its not about cost effectiveness, its about breaking records.
This particular project or megatalls in general? I do hope you don't mean the latter.

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It would be skyscraper of all skyscrapers.
I'm questioning whether or not it would count as a skyscraper. Not only is not designed for occupancy as a traditional building, but it's intentionally mimicking a natural mountain almost exclusively for activity to occur on the exterior. Tallest man-made structure? Sure. A skyscraper? Not by my measure, seeing as it's more a mound than a building.
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Old December 28th, 2011, 11:42 PM   #2968
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Today, the US / Canada will never build a super high skyscraper with the intention of wanting to show the rest of the world, something like ''Hey! Look at me, I reached the highest point'', this is the stuff of emerging Asian countries who want to gain visibility, the U.S. has already passed that stage.

America doesn't need the world visibility (it already has plenty of it).
Perhaps, but it's not "America" that would be pursuing this project. It would be a particular developer, and he/she/they might need to do something to garner attention to lure clients, visitors, establish iconic status. Bellagio would be practically unknown if not for the fountains, for instance, and by many accounts the proposals for the Spire in Chicago included taller options to increase the profile of its brand.

I agree there is less honus among developers in the States to pursue height for heights sake or largesse in skyscraper design, but my point is that innovative design need not require megatall height and that buildings here are still given some regard for unique character and iconography (a la that resort proposal in Miami). Given the right conditions and the right personality (like a Trump) and you may well see such innovation in the US sooner than you think.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 10:56 AM   #2969
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Old December 29th, 2011, 11:07 AM   #2970
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I thought that the US wanted to build big just to show off to the world.
I thought that was what the spike in Washington was for or that arch in St Louis. I could be wrong.
Those projects came from a time when the US had a much different relationship with the rest of the world compared to what it has now.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 11:13 AM   #2971
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or like this
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Old December 29th, 2011, 06:25 PM   #2972
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Old December 29th, 2011, 10:17 PM   #2973
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I thought that the US wanted to build big just to show off to the world.
I thought that was what the spike in Washington was for or that arch in St Louis. I could be wrong.
The big spike in Washington is the Washington Memorial, so I don't think it was built to really show off.
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Old December 30th, 2011, 04:42 PM   #2974
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In fact,kingdom tower is not much taller than shanghai tower,you know,KT's roof height is just about 650m,and its location is very desolate,so i'm not expect to see this building in 2017.

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Old December 30th, 2011, 04:50 PM   #2975
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I hope the towers like KT can built in nyc or Tokyo,or some other big cities.

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Old December 30th, 2011, 04:53 PM   #2976
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And I also dont satisfy the height is not as tall as a mile high which of former plan.So i'm not so intrested in this tower.I still like shanghai tower most.
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I hope the towers like KT can built in nyc or Tokyo,or some other big cities.
A so tall building in NYC would be awesome
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Old December 31st, 2011, 03:22 AM   #2978
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A so tall building in NYC would be awesome
If 15 penn plaza will stand beside ESB,I think such a 1000m tower near one 57 or build it in downtown is a good idea.I hope 15
penn can get built,though it makes ESB look short,but ESB also made Chrysler building looks small.
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Old December 31st, 2011, 07:12 AM   #2979
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If 15 penn plaza will stand beside ESB,I think such a 1000m tower near one 57 or build it in downtown is a good idea.I hope 15
penn can get built,though it makes ESB look short,but ESB also made Chrysler building looks small.
15 penn is shorter than the ESB
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Old December 31st, 2011, 07:44 AM   #2980
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15 penn is shorter than the ESB
But ESB's roof of main part is only 320m,the part above the observation of 86th floor is slender,so it makes ESB looks shorter than 15 Penn plaza.
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