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Old January 8th, 2012, 08:26 AM   #3161
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agreed/ but i do saying piling machines so that could been u/c
agreed/ but i do saying piling machines so that could been at least in prep not app !!
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Old January 8th, 2012, 09:31 AM   #3162
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we actually don't quite know how many floors in the spire are even accessable or usable and i think a big part of the spire is also just spire and has nothing much in it, similar to burj khalifa. but i think we can guess 190+ floors and be on the safe side
The 156 figure I took from CTBUH, but hey they probably aren't sure about all stats themselfs

And to others please read the bloody thread .

The piles are probably not for foundation. They are most likely for the soil grouting which is site preparation for the foundation. I already reported this but seems like nobody is checking the status thread for over a month now
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Don't worry, at least they think that something happens on the site.
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Old January 8th, 2012, 05:27 PM   #3164
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Has The Construction Started ??
Please Enlighten Me On the Status With The Source Link As Well ...
Thanks In Advance !!
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Old January 8th, 2012, 05:40 PM   #3165
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Has The Construction Started ??
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maybe Groundbreaking has started, this is right answer... maybe..
Construction started!!
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maybe Groundbreaking has started, this is right answer... maybe..
Construction started!!
well it's just a matter of time to see what happens, we can be sure that the project gets a go for now though, well unless we soon hear it gets put on on hold what we all don't hope I just hope that it will start rising above ground during this year
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Thanks! Pictures are proving the piling started!

Thanks for the pictures! Most convincing of all are the cylindrical shapes of the rebar colums, they fit with the immense scale of the project. Both the huge diameter and length of the colum seen on the photos.

Not unimportant is this small detail: the construction lamps, indicating work is proceeding at night, another indication a massive influx of people and heavy machinery is upcoming! No doubt the Miracle is Rising! The coming years are going to be of great fun to see the Tower rising floor after floor! The year 2012 writes construction history! Congrats to everyone! Anthonie (The Netherlands)
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maybe Groundbreaking has started, this is right answer... maybe..
Construction started!!
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Why The Thread's status is not changed yet to site prep instead of approved????
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Old January 10th, 2012, 11:46 AM   #3169
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prince Al-Waleed bin Talal himself said that the construction works started in the beginning of January .So ,make it U/C ,please


غنيّ عن التّعريف، فهو على الأغلب الشخصية العربية الأكثر شهرة في عالم المال ، ومعظم الناس على وجه المعمورة
يعرفونه، حاز على جائزة «الشخصية ذات الرؤى المستقبلية» للعام 2012من مجلّة « بيسبوك « Bespoke، فهو ليس مجرّد رجل صاحب أفكار، بل هو شخص مستعد للمجازفة بكلّ شيء من أجل ما يسمّيها «مخاطر مدروسة ومحسوبة جيّداً»، إنه الأمير الوليد بن طلال، البالغ من العمر 55 عاماً، هو قطب من أقطاب الأعمال صنع نفسه بنفسه، إلا أنّ قدرته على اتخاذ مواقف حاسمة في حالات عالية المخاطر، كانت القوة المحركة وراء تحقيقه ثروة تقدّر بحوالي عشرين مليار دولار. وبعيداً عن وهج الصفقات المليونية، فالأمير الوليد شخص ودود للغاية، كما أنّ الله منّ عليه بذهن حاد، وبراعة في المقابلات، ولا يوحي لمن يسمعه بأنّ أجوبته معدّة مسبقاً. بل على العكس تماماً، إذ إنّه يتكلّم بكلّ صراحة ويعبّر بطلاقة عن آرائه ويناقش أيّ موضوع بطريقته المميزة والواضحة.
«الشرق» يسرها أن تنشر اللقاء الذي أجرته مجلّة « بيسبوك «( Bespoke ) مع الأمير الوليد بن طلال بمناسبة نيله جائزة «الشخصية ذات الرؤى المستقبلية»، وحصوله على مشروعين ضخمين ومتميّزين باشر بهما مؤخراً، الأوّل هو «برج المملكة» في جدّة، الذي يفترض أن يكون أعلى بناية في العالم، بحيث يزيد ارتفاعه عن 1000متر. أمّا الثاني فالإطلاق القريب لقناة «العرب» الإخبارية بالشراكة مع محطة «بلومبرغ تي في» Bloomberg TV، التي يعتزم أن تبدأ البثّ أواخر العام 2012.

أذكر بوضوح جملة قالها سموّكم في مقابلتنا الأخيرة، وهي أنّه «إذا كان الجميع يشترون فأنا أبيع، وإن كانوا يبيعون حينئذ أشتري». والعالم اليوم لا يزال في مرحلة عصر النفقات. هل هذا هو السبب الرئيس وراء إقدامكم على مشروعين بهذه الضخامة والكلفة؟
- هذه القاعدة تنطبق على مشروع البرج وليس على القناة الإخبارية.

سنبدأ إذاً بالسؤال عن البرج، لمَ الآن؟ ولمَ في جدّة؟
- الوقت الآن ملائم لبناء برج كهذا، أولاً، أسعار مواد البناء، من إسمنت وحديد وغيرهما، متدنّية. ثانياً، وبكلّ صراحة، جدّة مدينة تفتقد للروح وهي بحاجة ماسّة إلى مشروع كهذا من شأنه أن يحدِث تغيّراً جذرياً فيها حتى تجذب المزيد من الأعمال والمشروعات. لم يحدث شيء في جدّة بحجم مشروعنا طوال أكثر من عقدين.. في الواقع ثمّة بضع منشآت مثل «مدينة الملك عبدالله الاقتصادية» (KAEC) في رابغ، و»جامعة الملك عبدالله للعلوم والتكنولوجيا»( KAUST )في ثول، إلا أنّ هذين المشروعين ليسا في المدينة نفسها، بينما مشروعنا سيكون الوسط التجاري الجديد لشمال لجدّة.

إذاً هذا البرج جزء من مشروع أضخم؟
- نعم، البرج سيقام على مساحة تناهز المائة ألف متر مربّع من عقار يبلغ 3.5 مليون متر مربّع. فالبرج الشاهق الارتفاع سيشكّل معلماً بارزاً، كما أنّه سيعزّز قيمة ما تبقّى من العقار.

ما أهميّة أن يكون البرج الأعلى في العالم؟
- ليس مهمّاً أن يكون الأطول في العالم. ولكنّ برجاً يزيد ارتفاعه على الألف متر إنجازٌ لا يستهان به، من دون أدنى شكّ، فالبرج الأعلى في العالم اليوم هو «برج خليفة» في دبي وطوله 823 متراً، لذا فإنّ تخطّي هذا الارتفاع بأكثر من 200 متر يُعد أمراً مهماً. و لن يتمّ الإعلان عن الارتفاع النهائي قبل العام الأخير من أعمال البناء.

ألم يكن من المفترض أن يكون هذا البرج «برج الميل»، أي أن يبلغ 1600متر؟
- لم تكن هذه الفكرة مطروحة أبداً. طالما قلنا إنّه برج يزيد ارتفاعه على الألف متر، إلا أنّ بعض وسائل الإعلام أخذت تتداول تلك التسمية، ولكننا لم نفكّر يوماً بهذا الرقم.

السعودية بلد شاسع المساحة، ما يتيح التوسّع الأفقي، إذاً لمَ اخترتم أن تبنوا عمودياً؟
- صحيح أنّ السعودية بلد كبير، ولكنّ المدن الرئيسة قليلة. لدينا الرياض وجدّة، والدمّام والخبر. وبالإمكان البناء أفقياً طبعاً ولكنّ المباني المرتفعة تشكّل معالم مميّزة ومصادر جذب للناس والشركات والمؤسسات.

لقد وقّعتم عقداً مع أحد المقاولين مؤخّراً، أليس كذلك؟
- بداية دعَونا عشر شركات لتقديم مناقصات خاصة بالمشروع، وفي مرحلة ثانية قلّصنا العدد إلى شركة واحدة هي «مجموعة بن لادن»، و بدأ العمل في الأول من يناير . لا بدّ أيضاً من أن تعلم بأنّ المقاول أصبح كذلك شريكاً لنا في هذا المشروع.

هل وقّعتم عقداً بمبلغ إجمالي؟
- بالتأكيد. في مشروعات من هذا النوع أعتمد دائماً المبالغ المقطوعة. المبلغ المتّفق عليه هو 4.6مليار ريال.

ولكنّ السماح للمقاول بأن يكون شريكاً يعني أنّه لا يمكنكم أن تضمّنوا العقد شروطاً جزائية تتعلّق بالتأخير؟
- في الواقع علاقتنا مع «بن لادن» هي مع وحدتين منفصلتين. المقاول هو «مجموعة بن لادن للمقاولات»، أما المستثمر فذراع أخرى من «مجموعة بن لادن». نحن بالطبع لا نتوقّع أي تأخير، ولكن إن حصل تأخير سيكون علينا أن ننفّذ ما ينصّ عليه العقد، وأنا مستعدّ لفعل ذلك حتّى لو كان ابني هو من يبني المشروع .

لديكم شريكان آخران هما شركة «أبرار العالمية القابضة»، والسيد عبدالرحمن شربتلي. كيف وقع الاختيار عليهما؟
- قبل كلّ شيء، الأرض ملكٌ لهما منذ عقود. لقد قرّرنا أن نبني مشروعنا هناك أولاً لأنّ المكان على مقربة من قلب المدينة وأيضاً لأنّ سعر الأرض جيّد نسبياً، إذ من المهمّ بالنسبة إلينا أن يكون معدل العائد الداخلي للمشروع مرتفعاً. عرضنا المشروع ودراسة الجدوى عليهما فقبلا الدخول في شراكة معنا.

متى تتوقّعون أن تبدأوا بحصد عائدات استثماركم؟
- يمتدّ معدل العائد الداخلي للمشروع على عشر سنوات، ولكنّ المدّة ستطول بالتأكيد نظراً لأنّه ثمّة أقساط سنوية بالإضافة إلى إيرادات متكرّرة. ولكن فيما يتعلّق بالسنوات العشر المقبلة، نتوقّع نسبة حوالى من 25 إلى %30عن المشروع برمّته.

هل صحيح أنّ كلفة بناء هذا البرج أقلّ بمبلغ 270 مليون دولار من كلفة بناء «برج خليفة»، مع أنّه سيكون أطول بحوالي %20؟
- نعم، معدّل تكلفة المتر المربّع أرخص منه في « برج خليفة «. لماذا؟ لأنّ منحنى التعلّم تمّ في إمارة دبي المجاورة للسعودية. وهذا أمر مهمّ لأنّه ليس بالإمكان تطبيق قواعد برج شُيّد في آسيا مثلاً. كذلك فإنّ شركة «إعمار»، التي بنت برج خليفة، عملت معنا بصفة استشارية. كما أنّ واحداً من مصمّمَي «برج خليفة»، وهو «غوردون جيل» Gordon Gill، هو مصمّم هذا البرج. إذاً فقد استفدنا من خبرتهم في دبي، حيث اعتمدنا كلّ الإيجابيات التي لديهم وأعدنا النظر في سلبيّات مشروعهم وبذلنا كلّ ما في وسعنا لنتفاداها.

بالحديث عن المهندسَين المعماريَين «أدريان سميث» Adrian Smith و»غوردون جيل» من شيكاغو، هل يعود اختياركم تصميمهما إلى كونهما عملا على مشروع «برج خليفة»؟
- هذا الأمر لعب دوراً، إلا أنّ السبب الأساسي لوقوع الاختيار عليهما هو أنّ تصميمهما يتمتّع بقابلية عالية للتنفيذ، أي أنّ تنفيذه أقلّ كلفة، كما أنه جميل، وكذلك بالنظر إلى خبرتهما ومهارتهما. لاحظ الترتيب، إذ كان ثمّة تصاميم فائقة الجمال إلا أنّ تكلفة بنائها أعلى بحوالى %50، أي أنّ معدل عائدها الداخلي أقلّ.

لا بدّ من الإشارة إلى أنّ برج خليفة ما زال يواجه صعوبة في إيجاد مستأجرين، كيف سيعالج «برج المملكة» مسألة الإشغال على نحو مختلف؟
- أولاً، فلنكن واضحين، من منظور استثماري «برج خليفة» بيع بالكامل، وحصل المطوّرون على أموالهم. إذاً المالكون الجدد هم من لم يتمكّنوا من إيجاد مستأجرين. كما أنّ أعمال الفندق هناك على أحسن ما يرام. إذاً المشكلة هي أنّ دبي تعرّضت لأزمة فائض خاصة بها، تضاف إليها الأزمة التي أصابت القطاعات المصرفية العالمية في العام 2008، كما يضاف إليها أيضاً مُضاعِف جديد للأزمة الاقتصادية التي تواجهها دول عديدة حول العالم كاليونان وإيطاليا وغيرها. كلّ تلك العوامل ألقت بثقلها على كاهل السوق العقارية في دبي. إذاً نعم، نحن ندرك مشكلاتهم ، ولكنّ وضعنا مختلف، فجدّة تفتقر أساساً إلى العرض، وبالتالي لا خطر الآن من حصول فائض. ما نتوقّعه هو أن يلقى المشروع طلباً كبيرا من داخل السعودية، وعلى الصعيد الدولي. وفي النهاية، مع احترامي لدبي وأبو ظبي وقطر والبحرين والكويت، إلا أنها جميعاً دول بمستوى مدن تراوح أعداد سكانها ما بين مليون وثلاثة ملايين نسمة. أما السعودية فهي أشبه بحوتٍ ضخم وتضمّ عشرين مليون نسمة، بالإضافة إلى سبعة ملايين مغترب، أي أنّ مجموع مغتربينا يفوق عدد سكّان بقية منطقة الخليج. السعودية هي مركز القوة والثقل والعمق والمعرفة الاقتصادية، لذا فإنّه لا مجال لمقارنتنا بدبيّ.

ما الأبعاد السياسية الكامنة وراء بناء برج كهذا في السعودية؟
- أولاً وقبل كلّ شيء، نحن ننفّذ هذا المشروع لأنّ معدّل عائده الداخلي ممتاز، فنحن رجال أعمال في النهاية. ولكن على الصعيد المحلّي، مشروع كهذا في السعودية، في الوسط التجاري لثاني أكبر مدينة في البلاد، يقوده إلى جانب فرد من أفراد العائلة المالكة، ثلاثة أفراد من المجتمع المحلّي لجدّة، هو بكلّ تأكيد مشروع وطني. أما على الصعيد العالمي، فهو يؤمن للسعودية حضوراً بارزاً وجريئاً على الساحة الدولية.



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Is well known, it is probably the most famous Arab personality in the world of money, and most people on the planet
Know it, received the award «personal with visions of the future» the 2012 edition of «Bespoke« Bespoke, it is not merely a man of ideas, but is someone willing to risk everything for what he calls «risk of a deliberate and calculated well», said Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, aged 55 years, is the pole of poles making the business itself, but its ability to take decisive positions in high-risk cases, the driving force behind the achieved wealth is estimated at about twenty billion dollars. And away from the glow of millions transactions, A Prince Alwaleed person and very friendly, and that God was a sharp mind, and craftsmanship in the interviews, and suggests that those who hear his answers prepared in advance. Quite the contrary, as he speaks openly and fluently express their views and discuss any subject in his own way distinctive and clear.
«Middle» is pleased to publish the meeting conducted by the magazine «Bespoke« (Bespoke) with Prince Alwaleed bin Talal on the occasion of winning a prize «personal with visions of the future», and getting two two large and distinct started with them recently, the first is the «Kingdom Tower» in Jeddah, which is assumed to be the highest building in the world, so that more than 1000 meters height. The launch and the second near the channel «Arabs» News in partnership with the station «Bloomberg TV» Bloomberg TV, which plans to start broadcasting in late 2012.

I remember clearly the phrase uttered by your Highness in our interview recently, is that «if everyone was buying, I sell, even if they sell then buy». The world today is still at the stage of the era of the expenses. Is this the main reason behind your feet on two projects of this magnitude and cost?
- This rule applies to the tower project and not on the news channel.

If you start asking about the tower, not now? Not in Jeddah?
- The time is now appropriate to build a tower like that, first, the prices of construction materials, from cement and iron and others low. Second, and quite frankly, the city of Jeddah lacks the spirit of a dire need of such a project would make a radical change in order to attract more business and projects. Nothing happened in Jeddah, the size of our project for over two decades .. In fact there are few facilities, such as «King Abdullah Economic City» (KAEC) in Rabigh, and »King Abdullah University of Science and Technology» (KAUST) in Thule, but these projects are not in the same city, while our project will be the commercial center of the new north of Jeddah.

If this tower is part of a larger project?
- Yes, the tower will be built on an area of ​​about one hundred thousand square meters of real estate of 3.5 million square meters. Valberg steep rise will be a milestone, as it will enhance the value of the remainder of the property.

What is the importance to be the tallest in the world?
- Is not important to be the longest in the world. But the height of a tower more than a thousand meters, no small achievement, without doubt, Valberg highest in the world today is the «Burj Dubai» Dubai and the length of 823 meters, so skip this rise by more than 200 meters is crucial. And will not be announced before the final height of the last year of construction work.

Was not it supposed to be this tower «Mile Tower», that is, a 1600 meters?
- Were not on the table this idea at all. We have always said that tower more than a thousand meters high, but some of the media took that label traded, but we did not think one day this number.

Saudi Arabia is a vast country, which allows horizontal expansion, if you choose to have adopted vertical?
- It is true that Saudi Arabia is a big country, but a few major cities. Our Riyadh, Jeddah, Dammam and Khobar. It is possible to build horizontally, of course, but high-rise buildings are landmarks and attractions for people, companies and institutions.

Have you signed a contract with a contractor recently, right?
- Let's start ten companies to submit tenders for the project, and in the second stage we have reduced the number to one company is «Bin Laden Group»,the work began in the first of January 2012. Must also be aware that the contractor has also become our partner in this project.

Have you signed a contract total amount?
- For sure. In projects of this kind always count lump sum. The agreed upon amount is 4.6 billion riyals.

But to allow the contractor to be a partner means that you can Tdmnoa contract penalty clauses relating to the delay?
- In fact our relationship with the «bin Laden» is with the two separate units. Contractor is «Bin Laden Group for Contracting», while the other investor Vdhiraa «Bin Laden Group». We of course do not expect any delay, but that got delayed we will have to implement the provisions of the contract, and I am ready to do so even if my son is one of the building project.

You have two other partners are the company «Abrar International Holding», Mr. Abdulrahman Sharbatly. How they were chosen?
- Above all, the land belongs to them for decades. We decided to build our project there first because the place is close to the heart of the city and also because the price of the land is relatively good, as it is important for us to be the internal rate of return of the project is high. Our project and feasibility study Vqubla them to enter into partnership with us.

When do you expect you to start harvesting the proceeds of your investment?
- Extends the internal rate of return for the project over ten years, but the term certainly would last longer because of that there is annual installments in addition to recurring revenue. But in terms of the next ten years, we expect the proportion of about 25 to 30% for the entire project.

Is it true that the cost of building the tower less than $ 270 million cost of building the «Burj Dubai», although it will be longer by about 20%?
- Yes, the average cost per square meter is cheaper than in the «Burj Dubai«. Why? Because the learning curve was in the neighboring emirate of Dubai to Saudi Arabia. This is important because it is not possible to apply the rules of tower built in Asia, for example. Also, the company «reconstruction», that girl Burj Khalifa, has worked with us in an advisory capacity. Also, one of the designers «Tower Khalifa», a «Gordon generation» Gordon Gill, is the designer of the tower. If you have benefited from their experience in Dubai, where we have adopted all the positives that they have and a rethinking of the negative aspects of their project and have done everything in our power to avoid it.

Speaking of architects «Adrian Smith» Adrian Smith and »Gordon generation» of the Chicago, do you return your choice to being designed in accordance with the draft «Burj Dubai»?
- This played a role, but the main reason for the occurrence of selection is that they have designed a high viability for implementation, ie, that its implementation is less expensive, as it is beautiful, as well as in view of their experience and skill. Note the arrangement, as there was a gorgeous designs but the higher cost of construction by about 50%, meaning that the internal rate of return is less.

It must be pointed out that the Burj Dubai is still facing difficulty in finding tenants, will address how the «Kingdom Tower» the issue of occupancy in a different way?
- First, let us be clear, from the perspective of an investment «Burj Dubai» sold out, and the developers got their money. If the new owners are not able to find tenants. The work of the hotel there are very good. If the problem is that Dubai faced a crisis of its own excess, add to the crisis that hit the global banking sector in 2008, and it also added a new multiplier of the economic crisis faced by many countries around the world such as Greece, Italy and others. All these factors weighed heavily on the shoulders of the real estate market in Dubai. If yes, we are aware of their problems, but we have different, his grandfather lacked a basis to offer, and therefore no danger now of a surplus. What we expect is to deliver a project of great demand in Saudi Arabia, and on the international level. In the end, with due respect for Dubai and Abu Dhabi, Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait, but they are all countries of the level of cities, their populations ranged between one and three million people. As Saudi Arabia is like a huge seas and includes twenty million people, in addition to seven million expatriates, ie that the total Mgtrbina than the rest of the population of the Gulf region. Saudi Arabia is the center of power, weight and depth of knowledge and economic, so it does not we compare the area of ​​Dubai.

What political dimensions behind building such a tower in Saudi Arabia?
- First of all, we carry out this project because the internal rate of return is excellent, we are businessmen in the end. But at the local level, such a project in Saudi Arabia, in the commercial center for the second-largest city in the country, led to the individual members of the royal family, three members of the community to Jeddah, is certainly a national project. At the global level, he believes Saudi Arabia's bold and prominent presence in the international arena.



Source (well known news paper in Saudi Arabia) :-


http://www.alsharq.net.sa/2012/01/05/73739

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Old January 10th, 2012, 12:47 PM   #3170
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oh right !!!!! change this to U/C it is official
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Old January 10th, 2012, 01:58 PM   #3171
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Also interesting to note is this:

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highest in the world today is the «Burj Dubai» Dubai and the length of 823 meters, so skip this rise by more than 200 meters is crucial. And will not be announced before the final height of the last year of construction work.
So looks like this will be at least 1023m tall, although we won't know the exact figure until it's in its last year of construction, just as it was with the Burj Khalifa.

Good news I guess

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Isn't Khalifa 828 m tall?
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Old January 10th, 2012, 06:02 PM   #3173
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Isn't Khalifa 828 m tall?
yeah it is official height: 828m. with antenna even 829m
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156? Why such a low number? The building will be at least 175 floors, but most likely somewhere 200-215
God I love floor numbering on such tall structures, confusing in all ways...
The curtain wall will extend to an elevation that can be considered as level 241. But we never count floors by the number of rows of glass, fake floors and skipping will help this baby to reach a number near 240. I'm expecting something like 200 real floors.
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Something about this and the Burj Khalifa, they are very graceful and good looking towers, I'm starting to like these arabian superscrapers.

Hopefully this one makes it to the top, but won't it be like the only skyscraper in the city?
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http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=536639&page=9 u/c

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=513984&page=2

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=514410 u/c

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=718950

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=667584

Some of them are U/C and some of them are not, but of course they are not tall at all .. compared with this monster !!!
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Thanks for providing evidence through pictures.

I changed the thread title to PREP for preparation works. It thus remains in this section.
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yeah !!!!! thanks for that
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God I love floor numbering on such tall structures, confusing in all ways...
The curtain wall will extend to an elevation that can be considered as level 241. But we never count floors by the number of rows of glass, fake floors and skipping will help this baby to reach a number near 240. I'm expecting something like 200 real floors.
I don't expect more than 200 floors. But i think it will have more floors than BK. Maybe 170-180
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