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Old January 28th, 2012, 01:43 AM   #3261
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It is a masterpiece of ENGINEERING, not architecture. There are no arquitects calculating the structure.
+1 ! If it wasn't for Engineers nothing that architects designed would stand up.
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Old January 28th, 2012, 02:01 PM   #3262
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But only future can tell
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Old January 28th, 2012, 02:03 PM   #3263
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Truth is, I can't see a competition either between the two. But we shall see. While I give a 90% chance for the Kingdom Tower to be finalized, right now I give only 10% chance to the Azerbaijan Tower to be finalized at the proposed height of 1,050 meters.

But we need to give it some time and see.
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Old January 28th, 2012, 06:30 PM   #3264
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Dear Rody, thanks for adding the info! As I look at your image it comes to my mind this drawing might be the part of the tower that's concrete and the part that's steel. Constructing this high makes the use of steel on the top needed. Burj Khalifa comprises of ± 600m concrete, and the remaining part 218 meter of steel. Steel is lighter, stiffer than concrete, and resists bending stresses, so it makes sense the top of Jeddah Kingdom Tower is constructed in a similar way. I agree the highest floors are maybe between 750 and 850 meters. The Tower is a stunning masterpiece of architecture!
that's possible, hence this's the elevators system diagram..
on the other hand, I agree with you on the rest

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Good one, Rody. The KT uses the 'sky lobby' concept that is the most efficient for supertalls. It also allows for the vertical zoning of tall buildings allowing vertically stacked mixed use. Do we have a use mix diagram for the KT?
I hope I would be able to provide the forum with that before one of the "Chicagoans"
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Old January 29th, 2012, 10:56 PM   #3265
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we need some photos :/
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Old January 30th, 2012, 03:31 PM   #3266
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I read in newspaper, as they started to build it. Is this true?
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Old January 30th, 2012, 03:37 PM   #3267
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+1 ! If it wasn't for Engineers nothing that architects designed would stand up.
If it wasn't for the Architect's vision, Engineers would have nothing to do! I'd rather be an Architect dreaming up fantastic buildings, than an Engineer crunching boring numbers.
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Old January 30th, 2012, 03:57 PM   #3268
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Not really. An engineer with his/her knowledge of physics could design a building however an architect couldn't build a building without an engineer so I think engineers are more important than architects
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Old February 1st, 2012, 07:37 PM   #3269
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when will update?
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Old February 1st, 2012, 07:49 PM   #3270
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when will update?
i think the tower site has preparation going on so its updating all the time, but we will not see what was done until we see photos of users.
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Old February 3rd, 2012, 07:32 PM   #3271
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Not really. An engineer with his/her knowledge of physics could design a building however an architect couldn't build a building without an engineer so I think engineers are more important than architects
Its not just about the knowledge to build it. You need the creativity and vision but more importantly the procurement and design responsibility lies in the hands of the architect. They are the ones that negotiate the contracts and prepare all the necessary documents for the project. Its the architect that runs the show, not the engineer. The engineer calculates all the necessary structural elements and may suggest reasons why a design would need to be altered and so on.
S4 is a load of crap like bob lazar and the rest of you ufo huggers, just because you want to believe it doesn't make it true!
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Old February 3rd, 2012, 09:28 PM   #3272
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LOL, I'm not a Bob Lazar supporter, in fact I think Bob Lazar is nothing more than a hoaxer who is telling a facinating sci-fi story. The S-4, Papoose lake location I have in my profile is just a joke
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Old February 4th, 2012, 12:23 PM   #3273
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Its not just about the knowledge to build it. You need the creativity and vision but more importantly the procurement and design responsibility lies in the hands of the architect. They are the ones that negotiate the contracts and prepare all the necessary documents for the project. Its the architect that runs the show, not the engineer. The engineer calculates all the necessary structural elements and may suggest reasons why a design would need to be altered and so on.
S4 is a load of crap like bob lazar and the rest of you ufo huggers, just because you want to believe it doesn't make it true!
Architects only make drawings of the tower. Enginners builds the tower.
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Old February 4th, 2012, 12:32 PM   #3274
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Construction started Unknown (scheduled)
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Old February 4th, 2012, 02:26 PM   #3275
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Kingdom Tower got a concurence. Which tower will be build before?
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Old February 4th, 2012, 02:38 PM   #3276
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Architects only make drawings of the tower. Enginners builds the tower.
Architects: Come up with the design, make the design functional, make the project happen...

Engineers: Work with the architect to make the sure the building will be strong and how it will be built.....

Builders: Build it....
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Old February 4th, 2012, 04:19 PM   #3277
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Adrian smith said : it WILL start in Jan. and now we are in Feb. So, it must be U/C by now ,isn't it ?
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Old February 4th, 2012, 04:48 PM   #3278
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Adrian smith said : it WILL start in Jan. and now we are in Feb. So, it must be U/C by now ,isn't it ?
well preparation started in january. so well it started in january and he wasnt wrong.
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Old February 4th, 2012, 05:51 PM   #3279
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Adrian smith said : it WILL start in Jan. and now we are in Feb. So, it must be U/C by now ,isn't it ?
wouldn't there be news of it though? unless i missed something..
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Old February 5th, 2012, 12:29 AM   #3280
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If preparations have started, shouldn't this be in the Under Construction Thread?
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