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Old June 5th, 2012, 01:16 PM   #3841
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thank you fury for the clarification. what i wnated to point out is that the highest floor however you wanna call it still is lower than expected, since we saw renders and thought the empty part of the building would only be a short part of the spire instead of 300m. but this floor plan shows that this building sadly does have floors only up to that point and the upper 300m are empty. of course it will still be the number one building in floor count, tallest architectural, tallest tip and even tallest floor, although the tallest floor isn't at a much of a taller place than in other megatall structures like Burj Khalifa and SHanghai Tower. A masterpiece nontheless.
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Old June 5th, 2012, 01:25 PM   #3842
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LOL, do you even know what a roof is
Some people here Please read with understanding because it seems you all got confused.

Fury stated the fact that recognition of roof is impossible in modern buildings

Innsertnamehere said the kingdom tower and burj should be counted because of spires being theirs integral parts, suggesting that in some buildings it isn't and hence shouldn't be counted.

Jay responded to that that the differentiation of spires being integral or not is subjective so either they should be counted all or none. If all then all buildings needs to have a roof which leads to absurd situations like determining virtual "roof" at burj, hence roof height doesn't work.

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Old June 5th, 2012, 01:27 PM   #3843
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i'm not really talking about the official height now, i just wanted to point out that we have 300m of buiding being empty.
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Old June 5th, 2012, 01:58 PM   #3844
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Every building has a roof and with the system I made it is easy to measure it
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Old June 5th, 2012, 02:01 PM   #3845
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i'm not really talking about the official height now, i just wanted to point out that we have 300m of buiding being empty.
I wasn't responding to you, but anyway, it was clear from the begining the sole purpose of this building is to brake words record. The same was with burj, and the same is with those record braking jet powered supercars that you can't actually use anywhere except vast flat deserts

but non the less it still will be awesome construction to follow
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Old June 5th, 2012, 02:16 PM   #3846
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yes i completally agreed and thought the same right from when i heard that the Burj Khalifa architects were doing this one too, but when renders came and people started saying the spire would be minimal and things, i was quite getting my hope up, which was shattered with the latest floor plan ;-) and i agree even with a 300m empty space on top it will still be a building of gigantic proportions. something we never have seen yet.
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Old June 5th, 2012, 02:55 PM   #3847
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Whether it has floors to the top or not doesn't change how tall it looks any way, this building is being built to claim the tallest title, so the floor count doesn't really matter to much here.
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Old June 5th, 2012, 05:28 PM   #3848
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+1000000 well said
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Old June 5th, 2012, 06:37 PM   #3849
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well said and now lets hope for fast and well construction time at this one
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Old June 5th, 2012, 10:06 PM   #3850
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Every building has a roof and with the system I made it is easy to measure it
Lol "easy"? Your system is ridiculously overly complicated. And you made Abraj Al Bait taller than Pingan. There is no way, statistically or visually, that anyone would think Abraj Al Bait is taller than Pingan.
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Old June 5th, 2012, 10:09 PM   #3851
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That was when I had wrong data about the top occupied floor of Abby. I made a revision today. Click on the top link in my signature to see it. Now Pingan is 21 meters taller than Abby
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Old June 5th, 2012, 11:41 PM   #3852
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That was when I had wrong data about the top occupied floor of Abby. I made a revision today. Click on the top link in my signature to see it. Now Pingan is 21 meters taller than Abby
Nice, I like it
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Old June 6th, 2012, 05:36 AM   #3853
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Every building has a roof and with the system I made it is easy to measure it
Hi Kanto.

I try not to be too judgemental in here but your 'system' makes makes it difficult ...

You have been pushing the roof height thing for some time now and that is your business (problem). Now you come up with this 'system' with rules that are totally arbitrary to push it even further. Not saying this is your intention but it looks to me that you think you can come up with something that the people on the council should have used to retain the height to roof measure as the fourth official height.

Stating "every building has a roof" and "I made it easy to measure it" sounds self centered at best and absurd at worst. The council is the accepted group to make decisions regarding tall structures, including the roof issue. There are very few on this forum qualified to be on the council and you and I are not among them.

Section 23B on the BK starts at 742.9 meters and is 6.4 meters high. Your 'system' has the roof at 747. You mean to say the roof of the BK is 0.9 meters above the half way point of a section ?? That makes no sense. The list I made years ago has 8 different points on the structure that some may (sensibly) interpret as the roof. That alone was enough for me to agree with the council's decision to do away with the roof height.

The council made the decision to drop the height to roof height because there are many structures on which the roof can't be easily determined. Making up some 'system' does not define the roof of these structures.
In short - Why continue pissing into the wind ??


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Old June 6th, 2012, 06:03 AM   #3854
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I actually consider the top of the Burj as the roof. The empty part of the building, is more like empty space rather then just a spire. It also passes the requirements on my system. What I am really trying to get is where buildings correctly lineup by visual height.
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Right the Burj doesn't have any spire at all, it's not like it's the last 150 meters of the building or anything...





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Old June 6th, 2012, 08:20 AM   #3856
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Hi all.

Hi Kanto.

I try not to be too judgemental in here but your 'system' makes makes it difficult ...

You have been pushing the roof height thing for some time now and that is your business (problem). Now you come up with this 'system' with rules that are totally arbitrary to push it even further. Not saying this is your intention but it looks to me that you think you can come up with something that the people on the council should have used to retain the height to roof measure as the fourth official height.

Stating "every building has a roof" and "I made it easy to measure it" sounds self centered at best and absurd at worst. The council is the accepted group to make decisions regarding tall structures, including the roof issue. There are very few on this forum qualified to be on the council and you and I are not among them.

Section 23B on the BK starts at 742.9 meters and is 6.4 meters high. Your 'system' has the roof at 747. You mean to say the roof of the BK is 0.9 meters above the half way point of a section ?? That makes no sense. The list I made years ago has 8 different points on the structure that some may (sensibly) interpret as the roof. That alone was enough for me to agree with the council's decision to do away with the roof height.

The council made the decision to drop the height to roof height because there are many structures on which the roof can't be easily determined. Making up some 'system' does not define the roof of these structures.
In short - Why continue pissing into the wind ??


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Old June 6th, 2012, 08:22 AM   #3857
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Right the Burj doesn't have any spire at all, it's not like it's the last 150 meters of the building or anything...





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It is all about getting the correct visual height. Burj looks like a 828 meter building, and 1 WTC looks like a 419 meter building
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Old June 6th, 2012, 09:16 AM   #3858
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It is all about getting the correct visual height. Burj looks like a 828 meter building, and 1 WTC looks like a 419 meter building
Go to skyscraperpage diagrams and put the 828 meter burj next to the 632 meter Shanghai Tower, tell me how much a visual difference you see.

If Burj has the visual mass of 828 meters, than Chrysler and ESB also have the visual mass of 320 and 443 meters with that logic, aswell as petronas.

Just because a building tapers into a spire doesn't mean it should count more.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 10:08 AM   #3859
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I'm totally crazy about this project! It's since a was a child and I saw One Mile Tower di FLWright for the first time, that I dream a building like this!
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Old June 6th, 2012, 10:39 AM   #3860
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Go to skyscraperpage diagrams and put the 828 meter burj next to the 632 meter Shanghai Tower, tell me how much a visual difference you see.

If Burj has the visual mass of 828 meters, than Chrysler and ESB also have the visual mass of 320 and 443 meters with that logic, aswell as petronas.

Just because a building tapers into a spire doesn't mean it should count more.
When someone looks up at the Burj there not going to hold there hand up to cover the "spire" and say that's how tall it is........................................just because it's thin doesn't mean that it's not there!
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